http://www.artistempathy.com/blog/the-pomplamoose-problem-artists-cant-survive-as-saints-and-martyrs
haven't actually read it but it's a think piece on pomplamoose so ... shruggy emoticon
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, 5 December 2014 21:13 (nine years ago) link
It's actually good. It's not about Pomplamoose really, it's about the way American society treats its artists.
― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 5 December 2014 21:19 (nine years ago) link
yeah p good piece
― Οὖτις, Friday, 5 December 2014 21:20 (nine years ago) link
the forbes piece is like.......ever time i think we've reached a cellar for wites writing sanctimoniously about the triumphs (or lack of attention paid to) "real" music, we fall even lower
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Friday, 5 December 2014 21:23 (nine years ago) link
also i had never heard of pomplamoose (i know rite total ILX party foul, i have been led to believe) and...um wut
not like "this prob sucks" necessarily, i haven't tried it, but the overall explanation of what they are....i think "um wut" will remain a fair reaction regardless of how they sound
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Friday, 5 December 2014 21:25 (nine years ago) link
wait, were people really criticizing Pomplamoose for over-paying their band? Given all of their annoying traits, this seems like one of the least objectionable things they could do. Or am I missing some crucial detail?
― Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Friday, 5 December 2014 21:26 (nine years ago) link
but for real though, why is that Hozier song so popular
― example (crüt), Friday, 5 December 2014 21:26 (nine years ago) link
― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Friday, December 5, 2014 4:19 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Not a good example though. The situation with Pomplamoose just shows that nobody wants to sympathize with fucking Pomplamoose (especially when they're asking for it).
― Evan, Friday, 5 December 2014 21:27 (nine years ago) link
i feel like i pay attention to & enjoy a lot of pop music and i have no fucking clue who hozier was, and after reading this goddamned forbes piece idk if i have any desire to even try it for music-anthropology reasons
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Friday, 5 December 2014 21:32 (nine years ago) link
Consumers and supporters of the “music wants to be free” ethos picked apart the numbers and decided that Pomplamoose spent too much money on lights and on pay for their back-up band.
No, it was touring musicians who questioned the lighting costs (and the relatively expensive motels every single night). And I don't recall a single word in any of the anti-Ploose pieces that implied they were paying their band too much; even the most vitriolic responses said something along the lines of, "(but at least they paid their band)."
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 5 December 2014 21:40 (nine years ago) link
no mention yet of the homophobic piece about the Peter Pan musical that Gawker ran?
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 5 December 2014 21:48 (nine years ago) link
i try to avoid gawker if possible w/ the exception of deadspin but it does not surprise me that they ran such a thing
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Friday, 5 December 2014 21:55 (nine years ago) link
that said they also like to pay lip service to moral stances so they can assuage their consciences (the ones who have functioning consciences, so, not hammy noles) over their denton-enforced dive-bombs into content aggregation for the sake of DEM CLICKZ, so, its double annoying when they do shit like that
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Friday, 5 December 2014 22:03 (nine years ago) link
there was definitely some question of "why did they HAVE 6 salaried people on their month long tour if it meant they toured at a loss?" before the Patreon info bubbled up, but that's not the same as asking why the salary was so high
― da croupier, Friday, 5 December 2014 22:11 (nine years ago) link
the big irony of that "artists can't be saints or martyrs" piece is that this all started because pompladude wrote a faux-confessional about how his band ain't rich because they chose to tour at a loss
― da croupier, Friday, 5 December 2014 22:16 (nine years ago) link
he sold HIMSELF as a martyr
― da croupier, Friday, 5 December 2014 22:17 (nine years ago) link
https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10462836_10153511319012137_7867710557987849448_n.jpg?oh=4ed5ed594ca71b54567d50be5b2dad5d&oe=54FAE6B5
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/14428_10153511322072137_6083905235496799694_n.jpg?oh=9ba57a71aa5b30af1fa08cdd56d36e50&oe=551C2845&__gda__=1425900420_77aac503d5c0da5216d13cfb663efc88
― scott seward, Friday, 5 December 2014 23:17 (nine years ago) link
That gawker piece is a abomination on like a million levels
http://morningafter.gawker.com/peter-pan-live-was-the-worst-three-hour-drag-show-weve-1667018164
― a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Saturday, 6 December 2014 03:14 (nine years ago) link
Love the idea of some music nerd sharpening his critical knives to skewer those darn musical theater types that beat him up in high school. Make sure you cram as many references to embarrassing gayness in there as you can, you shitheel.
― a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Saturday, 6 December 2014 03:18 (nine years ago) link
they also like to pay lip service to moral stances so they can assuage their consciences
I almost wish they wouldn't. When the two modes collide and you get sanctimonious gossip it's the worst.
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Saturday, 6 December 2014 11:41 (nine years ago) link
oh god i so did not miss this style of music writing. we have to go back
http://ratter.com/your-2015-coachella-friday-headliner-is-fucking-drake-1671889461
― maura, Thursday, 18 December 2014 19:32 (nine years ago) link
that's well suited to this thread; made me kinda ill to read
― a stupid red mute juggalo (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 December 2014 19:33 (nine years ago) link
unless you are a medieval Venetia or Cher Horowitz don't say ducats imo
― tl;dr, gukbar, morbis detrius (wins), Thursday, 18 December 2014 19:35 (nine years ago) link
yeah it's just gross on multiple levels
― maura, Thursday, 18 December 2014 19:36 (nine years ago) link
it's like a parody of what everyone thought gawker was when it launched
Bros have felt like music journalism doesn't "get" them, so this helps.
― Evan, Thursday, 18 December 2014 19:42 (nine years ago) link
Ms. Rac-Tan
― tl;dr, gukbar, morbis detrius (wins), Thursday, 18 December 2014 19:44 (nine years ago) link
Are you bigger than Drake? Get at me, zel✧✧✧@rat✧✧✧.c✧✧.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 December 2014 19:45 (nine years ago) link
― EZ Snappin, Friday, December 5, 2014 4:48 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark
buncha straight men in this thread calling a gay man a homophobe.... welcome to 2014
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 18 December 2014 19:52 (nine years ago) link
I know nothing about the writer, but the piece read as classic bullshit musical theater = gay.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 18 December 2014 20:09 (nine years ago) link
just scanned through it and there is literally nothing homophobic about it. i can see how one might think so if one's basic understanding of gayness-as-identity is lowest common denominator musical-theater-ness, but that would be actually homophobic.
― languagelessness (mattresslessness), Thursday, 18 December 2014 20:19 (nine years ago) link
Pretty sure a bunch of us saw the article as homophobic. Which it is. Also it's written from a position of complete gleeful ignorance about the subject at hand, and badly written at that. Maybe he should add an "I'm gay, btw" to the article to clear everything up to the casual reader.
― a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Thursday, 18 December 2014 20:22 (nine years ago) link
being funny with gleeful ignorance is a great position to write from, actually
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 18 December 2014 20:45 (nine years ago) link
Should I make a comment about social justice warriors scooping up the low hanging fruit or would that be misconstrued?
― Vic Perry, Thursday, 18 December 2014 20:45 (nine years ago) link
i can see how one might think so if one's basic understanding of gayness-as-identity is lowest common denominator musical-theater-ness, but that would be actually homophobic.
but anyway, mattresslessness has it
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 18 December 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link
"being funny with gleeful ignorance is a great position to write from, actually"
So you were a big fan of the wife writes about her husbands record collection thing then
― a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Thursday, 18 December 2014 20:55 (nine years ago) link
After I read the part about how beating on pots and pans was analogous to beating off, this immediately sprang to mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHLEA2HNR98
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Thursday, 18 December 2014 21:00 (nine years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:45 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
larry the cable guy fan here
― da croupier, Thursday, 18 December 2014 21:04 (nine years ago) link
Let's all construe the statement in the most simplistic way possible. That will make a strong statement against gleeful ignorance.
― Vic Perry, Thursday, 18 December 2014 21:06 (nine years ago) link
don't curse our darkness, complex it up for us
― da croupier, Thursday, 18 December 2014 21:08 (nine years ago) link
So:
perpetuating LCD tropes = not-homophobic
dismay at LCD tropes = homophobic
Gotcha.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 18 December 2014 21:08 (nine years ago) link
i haven't seen the peter pan musical and don't care to, but from what i can surmise, from clips and coverage, it's exactly the kind of gay minstrelsy hetero culture latches onto to share in the fabulousness (and then draw a line in the sand with "homophobic" when someone takes issue with its representation of gayness or boringness or w/e). get a clue morans
― languagelessness (mattresslessness), Thursday, 18 December 2014 21:20 (nine years ago) link
it's very gay ghetto. i don't think saying that's boring is homophobic.
― languagelessness (mattresslessness), Thursday, 18 December 2014 21:24 (nine years ago) link
get a clue morans
― languagelessness (mattresslessness), Thursday, 18 December 2014 21:25 (nine years ago) link
Rufus Wainwright is boring.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 December 2014 21:27 (nine years ago) link
Young Thug is not boring.
it's not homophobic in criticism to point out that something is cribbing from or has taken on the qualities of gayness/gay culture
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 18 December 2014 21:31 (nine years ago) link
ty
― languagelessness (mattresslessness), Thursday, 18 December 2014 21:36 (nine years ago) link
and sorry for use of the g-word.
― languagelessness (mattresslessness), Thursday, 18 December 2014 21:37 (nine years ago) link
The lineup has been shit the last couple years – COME AT ME.
anybody taken him up on this offer yet?
― ƋППṍӮɨ∏ğڵșěᶉᶇдM℮ (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 18 December 2014 21:57 (nine years ago) link