ok moving you to the top of the pile...
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 23:26 (nine years ago) link
62. Italo - daavid RESULTS PENDING63. Spacemen 3 and related acts - Elvis Telecom VOTING OPENING64. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy65. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt66. “Epics” (non-classical division) - Leee67. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life68. Extreme Metal - Viceroy69. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe70. Metallica - Pleasant Plains71. Spoon - Bee OK72. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds73. Fairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy Dods74. Queen - charlie h75. Can - Z S76. Tom Petty - rogermexico77. Ramones - tipsy mothra (finished)78. Jimi Hendrix - some dude79. John Coltrane - Tarfumes the Escape Goat80. Stereolab - Moka81. Bauhaus/Tones on Tail-Love and Rockets/Peter Murphy - Bee OK82. Genesis + solo - NickB83. The Smiths - nate woolls84. Pearl Jam - VegemiteGrrl85. The Burt Bacharach songbook - C. Grisso/McCain86. Dead C - Raymond Cummings87. Royal Trux + side projects - sleeve88. John Fahey - Naive Teen Idol?89. Rush - Matt #290. Oasis - pollrunner needed for this one91. George Michael - Ismael Klata92. Talking Heads - Bee OK93. Gamble & Huff/Philly International Records - jetfan94. Van Halen - Johnny Fever95. Billy Joel - Doctor Casino96. Low - aldo97. Nine Inch Nails - chap98. REM - rogermexico.99. Bjork - Eric H.100. Wu-Tang Clan - Spottie101. Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs) - Bee OK102. Covers - kornrulez6969103. New Pornographers/AC Newman - staggerlee104. They Might Be Giants - Johnny Fever105. No Wave - sarahell106. DFA - Van Horn Street107. Misfits/Samhain/Danzig - gr8080108. Beatles solo careers - Οὖτις109. Erykah Badu - Eric H.110. Nick Cave/Bad Seeds/Birthday Party/et al - charlie h111. Herbie Hancock - crüt112. Aphex Twin - Stevie D113. Blondie - Bee OK114. Electroclash - soref115. Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis - Spottie116. Siouxsie & the Banshees/The Creatures - LeRooLeRoo117. AM Radio Gold - Jeff W118. Eurovision - nxd119. Steve Albini - nate woolls120. Yellow Magic Orchestra - frogbs121. Elvis Presley - Euler122. Byrds + offshoots - kornrulez6969123. Cardiacs + affiliated - imago124. Tropicalia/MPB - Frederik B125. Chic Organization - 126. Stooges/Iggy Pop -
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 23:28 (nine years ago) link
I'm gonna have to back out of the Coltrane poll; I'm not familiar enough with too much of his work (pre-Classic Quartet), and I'm pretty sure turnout will be in the low single digits.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 3 February 2015 23:32 (nine years ago) link
I'll queue up for the next spot I guess, though I kind of wonder if we should have like a month to vote given the nature of the poll.
― Hollinger Escape Plan (Leee), Tuesday, 3 February 2015 23:54 (nine years ago) link
duly noted
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 23:55 (nine years ago) link
Looking forward to epics but agree -- also maybe a nomination period??
― groundless round (La Lechera), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 00:33 (nine years ago) link
I have no idea what an "epic" even is (just like I had no idea what "classic rock" is) so I'll let you guys figure it out
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 00:34 (nine years ago) link
It's it.
(What is it?)
― emil.y, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 00:41 (nine years ago) link
I thought it was a song > 10 min long? I'm not sure if 10 was the magic # but length was a defining characteristic.
― groundless round (La Lechera), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 00:46 (nine years ago) link
it's in your face but you can't grab it
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 01:07 (nine years ago) link
i don't want to go next or really - like i'm not feeling particularly up to running any polls atm so maybe just indefinitely postpone my slot
― Mordy, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 01:19 (nine years ago) link
Οὖτις, thanks for taking the lead on managing the queue, it's much appreciated.
Just wanted to mention a couple of things. I'm out on the Bacharach and solo Beatles polls; C. Grisso/McCain volunteered for that one, and the other one is either up for grabs or up for deletion. And crüt got steamed, and rightly so, when another poll jumped ahead of CCR late last year, so maybe check in with him before bumping Epics up ahead of Creedence.
And with that, I officially hand you the batteries to the Pollmaster's Taser.
― it takes 14 to make a baby (WilliamC), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 01:34 (nine years ago) link
Yes, I'm still debating with myself what that number is though. First instinct is 20, but then that'd leave out my favorite 18-minute songs.
― Hollinger Escape Plan (Leee), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 01:37 (nine years ago) link
Gonna vote this one up pretty high.
http://i.imgur.com/OY0RFKa.jpg
― pplains, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 01:37 (nine years ago) link
Οὖτις: You lost Yo La Tengo up near the top of the list. It was pending, but I needed to delay until school lets out; I think we left it where mookieproof and van horn street were going to run the poll, and I was going to do images.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 01:50 (nine years ago) link
Yo La Tengo/Dump (and other side projects), preferably.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 01:51 (nine years ago) link
leee will determine it based on his fave bardo pond songs
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 01:53 (nine years ago) link
Not far from the truth.
― Hollinger Escape Plan (Leee), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 01:56 (nine years ago) link
yes, thanks Shakey for taking this back over, i really didn't want to do it again. it hard to do without mod access.
that being said and since i have done this before, you missed a few (really think you should keep the number order:
56. Spaceman 3 (& descendants) - Elvis Telecom 58. Yo La Tengo/Dump - clemenza60. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 02:52 (nine years ago) link
so Boo Radleys are next?or is P-Funk next?― Οὖτις, Friday, October 24, 2014 1:25 PM (3 months ago)i can't do The Boo Radleys right now because of work. so i think that will be coming around February of 2015 after we do all the end of the year stuff.― Bee OK, Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:17 PMbtw, The Boo Radleys poll is still on track for February of 2015, going to be fun. won't be the first one, maybe the second or third one that will happen after the EOY polls wrap up.― Bee OK, Tuesday, January 20, 2015 10:35 PM (2 weeks ago)
or is P-Funk next?
― Οὖτις, Friday, October 24, 2014 1:25 PM (3 months ago)
i can't do The Boo Radleys right now because of work. so i think that will be coming around February of 2015 after we do all the end of the year stuff.
― Bee OK, Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:17 PM
btw, The Boo Radleys poll is still on track for February of 2015, going to be fun. won't be the first one, maybe the second or third one that will happen after the EOY polls wrap up.
― Bee OK, Tuesday, January 20, 2015 10:35 PM (2 weeks ago)
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 02:53 (nine years ago) link
oh, there is also this: 61. Stooges/Iggy Pop - flopson got bumped to 126 because he was not on ILX for a few months but now:
Looks like flopson had himself banned in February. We can put Iggy/Stooges on hold on the assumption he'll be back someday, or someone else can take that one. Or if anyone knows him IRL, tell him all is forgiven please come home.― Malibu Stasi (WilliamC), Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:09 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinki think earliest i could do this would be like, may/june― flopson, Saturday, January 17, 2015 2:16 PM
― Malibu Stasi (WilliamC), Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:09 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think earliest i could do this would be like, may/june
― flopson, Saturday, January 17, 2015 2:16 PM
61. P-Funk - Οὖτις61. Stooges/Iggy Pop - flopson
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 03:44 (nine years ago) link
did the discussion regarding a 2000-2014 tracks/albums poll this summer ever move from the EOY 77 tracks thread to this one?
― gr8080, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 03:54 (nine years ago) link
20 minutes is too long for epics - I propose 8:30 minutes so that I can vote for 'November Rain'.
― ArchCarrier, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 12:55 (nine years ago) link
How about 8+?
― how's life, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 13:00 (nine years ago) link
so we're not going in the order already established?
― example (crüt), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 13:01 (nine years ago) link
I guess this is kind of a hectic time for me, so if leee wants to go before me I'm down.
― example (crüt), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 13:03 (nine years ago) link
I thought it was a song > 10 min long? I'm not sure if 10 was the magic # but length was a defining characteristic
― hardcore dilettante, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 13:25 (nine years ago) link
If "epics" poll is really about any 10/20/xx minute track in any genre, I'm stoked for that! It needs a pretty strict nomination process though, I can think of a a couple of hundred ambient tracks alone that would qualify.
I'd say the minimum running time must be at least 10 minutes, though. If you set it at 8 or something, there are way too many "normal", not-particularly-lengthy-for-its-genre tracks valid in genres like metal, techno, jazz, prog rock, etc.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 13:27 (nine years ago) link
Maybe there rules would make it work?
1) A track must be at least 10 (or 15/20, whatever you decide) minutes long to be valid.
2) A track that's shorter than 10/15/20 minutes can be valid if it's at least twice as long as the second-longest track on the same album.
This way you could include tracks that are not super-long "objectively", but still epic within their own context/genre.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 13:31 (nine years ago) link
what if it only was released as a single? (Beat Bop for instance)
― gr8080, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 13:37 (nine years ago) link
2) A track that's shorter than 10/15/20 minutes can be valid if it's at least twice as long as the second-longest track average track length on the same album.
― ArchCarrier, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 13:49 (nine years ago) link
Not 'Estranged', though...
― ArchCarrier, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 13:51 (nine years ago) link
"Beat Bop" isn't super-long within the context of old school rap, the full-length "Rapper's Delight" is 15 minutes, and many other old school singles are around 10 minutes too.
I doubt Leee or anyone is gonna start calculating average track lengths within a whole genre, so non-album singles would still be problematic... But I don't see how this poll could be run in a non-problematic way, since the definition of "epic" length varies so much between genres.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link
ok I don't have mod priveleges fyi (don't want them either) but I will try my best to keep up with all the comments on this thread. I've made some executive decisions about the order so tuff titties if you don't like it (keepin Iggy at the bottom since flopson's target date is still months out). To-date here's where we're at:
62. Italo - daavid63. Spacemen 3 and related acts - Elvis Telecom64. “Epics” (non-classical division) - Leee65. Yo La Tengo/Dump - Clemenza66. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK67. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy68. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt69. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life70. Extreme Metal - Viceroy71. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe72. Metallica - Pleasant Plains73. Spoon - Bee OK74. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds75. Fairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy Dods76. Queen - charlie h77. Can - Z S78. Tom Petty - rogermexico79. Ramones - tipsy mothra (finished)80. Jimi Hendrix - some dude81. Stereolab - Moka82. Bauhaus/Tones on Tail-Love and Rockets/Peter Murphy - Bee OK83. Genesis + solo - NickB84. The Smiths - nate woolls85. Pearl Jam - VegemiteGrrl86. The Burt Bacharach songbook - C. Grisso/McCain87. Dead C - Raymond Cummings88. Royal Trux + side projects - sleeve89. John Fahey - Naive Teen Idol?90. Rush - Matt #291. Oasis - pollrunner needed for this one92. George Michael - Ismael Klata93. Talking Heads - Bee OK94. Gamble & Huff/Philly International Records - jetfan95. Van Halen - Johnny Fever96. Billy Joel - Doctor Casino97. Low - aldo98. Nine Inch Nails - chap99. REM - rogermexico.100. Bjork - Eric H.101. Wu-Tang Clan - Spottie102. Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs) - Bee OK103. Covers - kornrulez6969104. New Pornographers/AC Newman - staggerlee105. They Might Be Giants - Johnny Fever106. No Wave - sarahell107. DFA - Van Horn Street108. Misfits/Samhain/Danzig - gr8080109. Beatles solo careers - Οὖτις110. Erykah Badu - Eric H.111. Nick Cave/Bad Seeds/Birthday Party/et al - charlie h112. Herbie Hancock - crüt113. Aphex Twin - Stevie D114. Blondie - Bee OK115. Electroclash - soref116. Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis - Spottie117. Siouxsie & the Banshees/The Creatures - LeRooLeRoo118. AM Radio Gold - Jeff W119. Eurovision - nxd120. Steve Albini - nate woolls121. Yellow Magic Orchestra - frogbs122. Elvis Presley - Euler123. Byrds + offshoots - kornrulez6969124. Cardiacs + affiliated - imago125. Tropicalia/MPB - Frederik B126. Chic Organization - 127. Stooges/Iggy Pop -
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 17:23 (nine years ago) link
I was thinking about this yesterday. Would a 2010-14 poll really be all that fun? At this point, I think it'd be more fun to poll the years spanning the life of ilx up to now. 2001-2014, because we could rewrite A LOT of history that way (which might be a bad thing, but it also might not be).― Johnny Fever, Friday, January 23, 2015 1:31 PM (1 week ago)
― Johnny Fever, Friday, January 23, 2015 1:31 PM (1 week ago)
[...]
plan would be to do it like sometime this summer right?― call all destroyer, Friday, January 23, 2015 1:42 PM (1 week ago)
― call all destroyer, Friday, January 23, 2015 1:42 PM (1 week ago)
When did ILM officially begin? Was it 2000 or 2001? (I didn't get here until 2002, and didn't start participating with any regularity until 2003.)― Johnny Fever, Friday, January 23, 2015 2:28 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink2000.― example (crüt), Friday, January 23, 2015 2:31 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkAhh, so the poll would cover 2000-2014 then.― Johnny Fever, Friday, January 23, 2015 2:31 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Johnny Fever, Friday, January 23, 2015 2:28 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
2000.
― example (crüt), Friday, January 23, 2015 2:31 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Ahh, so the poll would cover 2000-2014 then.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, January 23, 2015 2:31 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― gr8080, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 17:35 (nine years ago) link
^^^so i the poll-crew on board with this?
seems like something that could run concurrently with an artist poll? idk
― Steph def def (Spottie), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link
idgi is the idea just a tracks poll for the last 15 years?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 17:40 (nine years ago) link
All polls should get in the queue apart from eoy polls otherwise we would get a 2000-2014 metal poll and scik mouthy would be able to restart the all time poll.Its not fair on anyone who signed up. This thread isnt just for artist polls anymore.
― The Ghost of (strychnine), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:00 (nine years ago) link
ILM Top 100 2005-2009: TRACKS
sure, but 2004-2008 hasn't been done amirite
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:04 (nine years ago) link
ILM Top 100 2000-2004: ALBUMSILM Top 100 2000-2004: TRACKS
ILM Top 100 2005-2009: ALBUMSILM Top 100 2005-2009: TRACKS
― gr8080, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:15 (nine years ago) link
the idea would be a retrospective of the first 15 years ILM has existed, see what holds up, what doesn't, whats been forgotten, whats been discovered
― gr8080, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link
Back of the line sez i
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link
i disagree
― gr8080, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link
Only if we aren't able to vote for things that placed in the earlier polls.
― how's life, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:19 (nine years ago) link
also every still living poster whos ever posted needs to be contacted and cast a ballot imo
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link
Only if they didn't vote previously.
― how's life, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:25 (nine years ago) link
Unfair on those who signed up. The all time poll was forced to stop and join quite rightly. Get in the queue System ilx agreed on.
― The Ghost of (strychnine), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:26 (nine years ago) link
might as well do 2000-2020 by then
― Steph def def (Spottie), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:28 (nine years ago) link
eaxactly
― gr8080, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:29 (nine years ago) link