― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 04:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 05:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 07:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 08:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
Need I go on? Well, they might have faded *slightly* after that, but the rest of the albums are still really good and do still show growth. Also, look at their instrumental stuff. Quite good and varied. Impressive resume for 3 snotty kids from Brooklyn. Look at all the damn rap records coming out around Pauls Boutique. Listen to them. They were nowhere near the musical genius that Pauls Boutique represents. The beats were all one dimensional. And they were so far ahead of their time they still hold up today. I dont hear too many people listening to run dmc anymore and they were supposed to be the gods yet pauls boutique can still conquer and rap in todays society. C'mon, doesnt that tell you something?
― trevor, Monday, 15 November 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.creemmagazine.com/BeatGoesOn/BeastieBoys/LayItDownClowns.html
― chuck, Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link
they have had their share of classics, and their share of crap. for better or worse, their classics are front-loaded. unfortunately, we're now living in the back-end and there's less (or NO) great music to detract from the smarm.
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Deerninja B4rim4, Plus-Tech Whizz Kid (Barima), Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 24 February 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link
For the generation weaned on Danny Bonaduce, awakened by Haldeman, Erlichman and Dean, and enlightened by punk and its progeny, this disillusionment casts doubt and cynicism on not only our leaders, but on the mass media that stimulate our national mood.
I thought that was a really great article, until I reached this part, which just totally went over my head. Who are these people?
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 24 February 2005 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nick H (Nick H), Thursday, 24 February 2005 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 24 February 2005 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link
old school!!! (almost 20 years ago, natch, but yow!!!)
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 24 February 2005 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― dan. (dan.), Thursday, 24 February 2005 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 24 February 2005 22:33 (nineteen years ago) link
They all went to jail.
― Scott CE (Scott CE), Thursday, 24 February 2005 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Thursday, 24 February 2005 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link
GHAGARRRAGH
― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Friday, 25 February 2005 02:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 25 February 2005 02:59 (nineteen years ago) link
I'll stop there. Sure the last few have been largely recycled material, and yeh, I've got mixed feelings about the whole "P.C. Boys" vibe. But are they Classic????? They are one of the utmost classic artists of our time, and if ya don't know, now ya know.
― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Saturday, 26 March 2005 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 26 March 2005 04:43 (nineteen years ago) link
How about an instrumental "Paul's Boutique" release? Now that I'd buy...
― John Justen (johnjusten), Saturday, 26 March 2005 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Saturday, 26 March 2005 04:53 (nineteen years ago) link
Particularly for the way they divide people here. Cleverer and more innovative in retrospect than they seem at the time. Equally stupid and annoying and repetitive. I hated License to Ill as a teenager in the late 80s. (Kind of teenager I was.) The first album I got into was Ill Communication, which blew me away.
Yeah the rapping is horrible. (Except it sounds *amazing* on those Kleptones bootlegs that put Intergalactic and Body Movin over Queen's Radio Gah Gah and I Want to Break Free.)
Hello Nasty : Apart from Intergalactic some of the party tracks are kind of dull. But I love the song that sounds like Broadcast. (I'm forever putting it on mix-tapes with a kind of "guess who this is" subtext.) and some of the other non-rap tracks are more than filler.
What's the later stuff like?
― phil jones (interstar), Saturday, 26 March 2005 05:39 (nineteen years ago) link
I've always kind of liked them because they just sound fun. I think they also were pretty innovative in their time and seemed to be on the cusp of interesting culture just before everyone else caught up. I think I still would enjoy most of the stuff up to about Hello Nasty, but Paul's Boutique is probably the only one I'd think of putting on myself.
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 26 March 2005 05:47 (nineteen years ago) link
While you were still in shortpants.
― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Saturday, 26 March 2005 06:36 (nineteen years ago) link
By the way, by 1986, I had in fact graduated to the all-important longpants. And that, my friends, has made all the difference.
(Paul Revere still does hold a certain draw, however. I wish that I had "did it with a whiffle-ball bat", i guess.)
― John Justen (johnjusten), Saturday, 26 March 2005 09:50 (nineteen years ago) link
Looking Down The Barrel of a Gun Known samples: Primary beat sample: "Last Bongo in Belgium" - Incredible Bongo Band (1973). Piano chord sample: "Time" - Pink Floyd (1973). Additional samples: "Put Your Hand in the Hand" - Ocean (1971).
"Rolling down the hill snowballing getting bigger An explosion in the chamber, the hammer from the trigger I seen him get stabbed I watched the blood spill out He had more cuts than my man Chuck Chillout ( Influential old-school DJ who put out party records in the 1980's and has mixing credits on Public Enemy's It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back ) 24 is my age .22 is my gauge Writing rhymes on a page going off in a rage Out on a missionm a stolen car mission Had a small problem with the transmission 3 on the tree in the middle of the night I have this steak on my head cause I got into a fist fight Life comes in phases, take the good with the bad You bought those coins on the street and you got had It's all high spirit, you know you gotta hear it !Don't touch the mic, baby don't come near it !It's gonna get you it's gonna get you -It's gonna get you girl it's gonna get you...
Looking down the barrel of a gun -Son of a gun son of a bitch -Getting paid getting rich - (sample: drums and bit of guitar distortion here from "Mississippi Queen" - Mountain (1979). Ultra violence running through my head (An allusion to Stanley Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange film (1971), a more obvious reference follows)Fuzzy navel y'all making me see red (Fuzzy Navel is a mixed drink comprised of peach schnapps and orange juice. )Rapid fire louie like Rambo got bullets ( John Rambo became the quintessential action hero, popularized by Sylvester Stallone, starting with the film First Blood in 1982. )I'm a gonna die harder like my kid Bruce Willis ( Bruce Willis franchise of action movies began in 1988 with Die Hard. )I love girlies waxing and milking Co-ordinating trim is my man Dave Scilken ( Childhood friend of Adam Horovitz who died of a drug overdose in 1991 (two years after thisrecording). Scilken was also in The Young and the Useless with Horovitz prior to the Beastie Boys. On the Licensed to Ill and Together Forever tours, Scilken earned the title of "trim co-ordinator". His primary duties in this role was to procure females from the crowd and present them with backstage passes.) Predetermined destiny is who I am You got your finger on the trigger like the Son of Sam I am ( David Berkowitz was a NYC area serial killer in the late 1970's. He terrorized the city for 13 months before his capture, killing six people. The first nickname he acquired during his spree was given to him because of his weapon of choice, the ".44 caliber killer". Later, in letters to the police left at the scenes of his crimes, Berkowitz referred to himself as the "Son of Sam."This line of the song also seems to make brief reference to the story Green Eggs and Ham by Dr. Seuss which begins "I am Sam/Sam I am". )Like Clockwork Orange going off on the town (Here's the other more obvious A Clockwork Orange reference. )I've got homeboy's bonanza to beat your ass down I'm mad at my desk and I'm writing all curse words Expressing my aggressions through my schizophrenic verse words You're a headless chicken chasin' a sucker free basin Looking for a fist to put your face in Get hip, get hip - don't slip ya knuckle heads Racism is schism on the serious tip."
the pants are fancy.
― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Saturday, 26 March 2005 10:13 (nineteen years ago) link
Having removed these we have:Chuck Chillout - admittedly semi-obscure reference.Dave Scilken - no disrepect to the dead , but too obscure to have any real lyrical meaning.
Ultra Violence, Fuzzy Navel, Rambo, Bruce Willis, Son of Sam - Not really digging deep here.
Clockwork Orange as "more obvious Clockwork Orange reference" - indisputable.
Still, I can't help but admit that Racism is schism on the serious tip. Whatever that means.
I think the Anthrax cover on that "Beavis and Butthead Experience" album is the superior version.
― John Justen (johnjusten), Saturday, 26 March 2005 10:32 (nineteen years ago) link
same ol shit.
― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Saturday, 26 March 2005 10:47 (nineteen years ago) link
-- Bobby Peru (per...), March 26th, 2005 4:13 AM. (Bobby Peru) (later)
haha, this is completely missing the coolest sample of all, Mountain's "Mississippi Queen"! Which was of course immediately apparent to me upon picking this album up day-of-release back there in the late-80s. Can't speak to the classic-rock hating morons and why they missed it. I always listened to Mountain as a kid, because I like good musicians.
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 26 March 2005 10:52 (nineteen years ago) link
Looking down the barrel of a gun -Son of a gun son of a bitch -Getting paid getting rich -(sample: drums and bit of guitar distortion here from "Mississippi Queen" - Mountain (1979).
― @@r0n h. z@nd3r$ (AaronHz), Saturday, 26 March 2005 11:11 (nineteen years ago) link
Iggy Pop - "Raw Power" - I'm a street walking cheetah with a head full of napalm
NWA - "Fuck the Police" - Fuck tha policeComin straight from the undergroundYoung nigga got it bad cuz I'm brownAnd not the other color so police thinkThey have the authority to kill a minority
Ramones - "Bonzo goes to Bitburg" - You'?re a politician don'?t become one of hitler?s' children
The Doors - "Peacefrog" - Blood in the streets in the town of New Haven Blood stains the roofs and the palm trees of Venice Blood in my love in the terrible summer Bloody red sun of Phantastic L.A.
Chic - "Le Freak" - All that pressure got you downHas your head spinning all aroundFeel the rhythm, check the rideCome on along and have a real good timeLike the days of stomping at the SavoyNow we freak, oh what a joyJust come on down, two fifty fourFind a spot out on the floor
Beastie Boys - "Looking down the Barrel of a gun" - I have this steak on my head cause I got into a fist fight.
As lyrics go, I'll give you even odds with chic, a fighting chance with the Doors (because I always thought Morrison was an over-rated dolt), and absolutely no fucking shot at NWA. As music goes (referencing music written by the Beastie Boys), no contest. Across the board.
― John Justen (johnjusten), Saturday, 26 March 2005 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link
Such a silly lyric that for some reason is fun/funny, whereas the reality of soaking your black eye with a steak is no fun at all.
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 26 March 2005 13:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 26 March 2005 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Deerninja B4rim4, Plus-Tech Whizz Kid (Barima), Saturday, 26 March 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link
This may be one of those lines divided by age: if you're over a cerain age you may not have been open enough at the time to recognize just how brilliant and inventive their whole package was for the eighties, (IGNORING ALWAYS 'fight for your right', which is in no way representative of their output) and if you're younger than 25 you may take them for granted (like how Metallica appears stodgy today compared to all the heavier bands they influenced). But here is a fact: when 'Licensed' dropped it was a revelation to all.
Certain tracks from License to Ill were ubiquitous at that time, and they are rap *classics*: Slow & Low, Hold it now, hit It, Brass Monkey, and Paul Revere were coming out of every trunk in Oakland that whole year - and if you go back and listen to the NEXT year's best hip-hop offerings (Such as It Takes A Nation of Millions & Straight Outta Compton) you will hear *exactly* how many times those artists reference the Beastie Boys. And if it's good enough for NWA & PE (etc etc) than it's good enough for me.
― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Saturday, 26 March 2005 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link
God, check out these fuckin snobs at the top of the thread here!
― ○◙i shine cuz i genital grind◙○ (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 14:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Hello Nasty fucking banged (well the good tracks did)
― Cittaslow Mazza (blueski), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 14:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Shit can be summed up as:
embarrassing early yearsfollowed by
2 great albumsfollowed by
2 good albumsfollowed by
being irrelevant, spotty, and in need of charity
― (unregistered) (PappaWheelie V), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 15:21 (fifteen years ago) link
embarrassing early years are the best shit ever
― ○◙i shine cuz i genital grind◙○ (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 15:23 (fifteen years ago) link
That this question was even asked breaks my heart.
― A socialist who's happy to spread the wealth (Susan), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 15:26 (fifteen years ago) link
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^^^hoos that^^^
― Ioannis, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 15:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Palefaced Pretenders should be the name of a tribute band
― The Slash My Father Wrote (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 15:34 (fifteen years ago) link
pretty excellent band though i sort of checked out before "5 boroughs" came out. i don't know what spencer's "sf of rap" thing is supposed to mean except i guess it's another southland zing. they always sounded nothing more than nyc to me and they got tons of play on the subway during my time there!
― omar little, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 15:36 (fifteen years ago) link
I should clarify by early years, I mean as a hardcore band.
Although I've always been curious about their purported No Wave/World Music outfit that predated it.
And Cookie Puss is fantastic, still (which is what prompted interest from Russell Simmons anyway).
― (unregistered) (PappaWheelie V), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 15:42 (fifteen years ago) link
No Wave/World Music outfit that predated it.
I have never heard of this.
― A socialist who's happy to spread the wealth (Susan), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 15:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Wouldn't they have been about 12?
― I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Young Aborigines
I can't find the lengthy timeline now that described in their own words what they wanted to do, but I remember them citing several things that were NYC du jour in 1981, including no wave and world music.
Anyway, since that timeline, Young Aborigines is cited all over, although downplaying it to "very very shortlived", which is fair, but non-descript of their original goals.
http://www.beastiemania.com/whois/the_young_aborigines/By the summer of 1981 the Young Aborigines were performing at Jerry William’s 171 A.
By the summer of 1981 the Young Aborigines were performing at Jerry William’s 171 A.
http://www.exclaim.ca/articles/multiarticlesub.aspx?csid2=9&fid1=3028&csid1=59Young Aborigines drummer Michael Diamond meets Adam Yauch at a Bad Brains show in New York and the two become close friends through their love of hardcore music. Yauch begins showing up at Aborigines practices; when founding bassist Jeremy Shatan goes home to do his homework, Adam takes over. When Yauch is on bass duty, the Aborigines (including percussionist Kate Schellenbach and guitarist John Berry) call themselves the Beastie Boys, a purposefully stupid name for their joke attempt at being one of New York’s first hardcore bands. The new line-up debuts at Yauch’s 17th birthday party. Record store owner Dave Parsons asks them if they’d be interested in releasing their first record on his new label, Rat Cage.
Young Aborigines drummer Michael Diamond meets Adam Yauch at a Bad Brains show in New York and the two become close friends through their love of hardcore music. Yauch begins showing up at Aborigines practices; when founding bassist Jeremy Shatan goes home to do his homework, Adam takes over. When Yauch is on bass duty, the Aborigines (including percussionist Kate Schellenbach and guitarist John Berry) call themselves the Beastie Boys, a purposefully stupid name for their joke attempt at being one of New York’s first hardcore bands. The new line-up debuts at Yauch’s 17th birthday party. Record store owner Dave Parsons asks them if they’d be interested in releasing their first record on his new label, Rat Cage.
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― (unregistered) (PappaWheelie V), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link