Don't know if this is authentic, but so unenlightened to care about authenticity anyway. Supposedly the official documentation of the verdict:http://www.scribd.com/doc/258475949/Pharrell-Williams-Robin-Thicke-v-Gaye-jury-special-verdict-filled-Blurred-Lines-pdf
― dow, Friday, 13 March 2015 01:57 (nine years ago) link
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/mar/13/marvin-gayes-family-says-pharrells-happy-is-another-copy
― Matt DC, Friday, 13 March 2015 08:56 (nine years ago) link
Ok, they're totally just trolling.
― how's life, Friday, 13 March 2015 09:05 (nine years ago) link
lol omg wut
― raih dednelb (The Reverend), Friday, 13 March 2015 10:54 (nine years ago) link
Gaye had nothing to do with the writing or production of Ain't That Peculiar anyway
― Number None, Friday, 13 March 2015 11:39 (nine years ago) link
Gaye said a couple times that he wrote or produced many of those early Motown w/out getting credit, as no doubt Nona heard many times growing up.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 March 2015 12:05 (nine years ago) link
I feel like arguments about how derivative x artist is of y are tedious and immature
OTM
― Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Friday, 13 March 2015 12:14 (nine years ago) link
Tbf I think the lawyer saying blurred lines came solely from "the hearts and souls of Pharrell Williams and robin thicke" deserves an omg lol wut are you trolling too
― da croupier, Friday, 13 March 2015 13:37 (nine years ago) link
Spent so much time scrutinizing Blurred Lines yesterday that youtube has been recommending me Thrift Shop all morning.
― how's life, Friday, 13 March 2015 14:21 (nine years ago) link
serves you right
― DJP, Friday, 13 March 2015 14:23 (nine years ago) link
I'm waiting for the Gaye estate to get round to 'Thrift Shop'. Also 'All About That Bass' and 'Fancy'.
― Matt DC, Friday, 13 March 2015 14:27 (nine years ago) link
I've never heard either, which amuses me greatly.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 13 March 2015 14:30 (nine years ago) link
You haven't heard either 'Blurred Lines' or 'Happy'?
― Matt DC, Friday, 13 March 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
I don't get it. Even if the basslines and sheet music were key factors in this they're quite obviously different.http://joebennett.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/gaye1.jpghttp://joebennett.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/thicke.jpg
― tsrobodo, Friday, 13 March 2015 14:54 (nine years ago) link
Top one's Blurred lines, bottom is GTGIU
other way around, lol
― example (crüt), Friday, 13 March 2015 15:03 (nine years ago) link
haha my bad, thought i c&p'd the other way
― tsrobodo, Friday, 13 March 2015 15:06 (nine years ago) link
gotta say it must be a weird and horrible trip being robin thicke this past year or so. can think of very few songs that have made then ruined a person's life, let alone so quickly...(damages include forever being known as the date rapey song guy, the marvin gaye ripoff guy, the fibbed songwriting credit guy, the guy whose reaction to his own success led to his divorce, the guy whose album-length attempt at getting his wife back -- anchored by the song in question -- tanked profoundly...)
― soyrev, Friday, 13 March 2015 18:58 (nine years ago) link
and yet that isn't punishment enough
― vacuum head tree disease (imago), Friday, 13 March 2015 19:04 (nine years ago) link
world's tiniest violin playing a ripoff of some sad song for him
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 March 2015 19:04 (nine years ago) link
world's tiniest rape anthem
― example (crüt), Friday, 13 March 2015 19:05 (nine years ago) link
when is the hendrix estate going to get thicke for nicking the cover of BAND OF GYPSYS for PAULA
― flappy bird (spazzmatazz), Friday, 13 March 2015 19:07 (nine years ago) link
just saw another IS HOMAGE DEAD piece went up
http://www.playboy.com/articles/defending-the-groove-the-real-chilling-problem-with-the-blurred-lines
And now, as a result of the “Blurred Lines” decision, musicians' lawyers are going to be all freaked out about not just songs that sample or quote other songs but songs that sound too much like other songs. There is no standard for how much one recording’s groove can happen to sound like another’s, because there cannot be a standard for it. And when there’s no standard for what’s legal and what’s not, that’s a textbook example of a chilling effect: there is no degree of resemblance that is safe. Imagine if, after “Rapper’s Delight” came out, nobody had been willing to release a song with the same basic sound for fear of being sued.
it is cracking me up so much that critics are running around in fear that music is suddenly going to become less derivative
― da croupier, Friday, 13 March 2015 19:27 (nine years ago) link
everyone just spitting out examples of music that sounds like other music while they still can
― da croupier, Friday, 13 March 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link
before they get sued for copying other critics
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 March 2015 19:30 (nine years ago) link
like c'mon
The last time something like this happened was the 1992 Gilbert O'Sullivan/Biz Markie lawsuit. Before it, there was an informal understanding that including samples on hip-hop records was fine as long as you didn’t use more than a few bars; after it, lawsuit-fearing artists and labels demanded that every sample had to be cleared, and the result was that the art of sampling was kneecapped. (This is also why, for instance, Karmin’s 2011 single “Crash Your Party” was, absurdly, officially co-written by John Coltrane, who died several decades before several of his “collaborators” were born and didn’t actually write anything heard in “Crash Your Party”: it includes a sample of Black Sheep’s “The Choice Is Yours (Revisited),” which in turn samples a Ron Carter bass improvisation from a McCoy Tyner recording of Coltrane’s “Impressions.”)
oh yes i remember how the art of sampling disappeared in 1992
― da croupier, Friday, 13 March 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
ok he said "kneecapped" not "disappeared" but jesus so girl talk has to live off club gigs and karmin has to credit john coltrane I am ok with this
― da croupier, Friday, 13 March 2015 19:32 (nine years ago) link
think how much better music would be if people didn't have to credit samples, we'd be living in a world full of mash-ups oh wait
― da croupier, Friday, 13 March 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
people should only play instruments they invent themselves
― primal, intuitive, and relatively unmediated (Treeship), Friday, 13 March 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link
xpost tbf that was the end of bomb squad type productions so sure Grand Upright vs WB didn't end music but def changed the course
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Friday, 13 March 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
after it, lawsuit-fearing artists and labels demanded that every sample had to be cleared, and the result was that the art of sampling was kneecapped.
I don't think this is really disputable
"Rapper's Delight" citation is, however, p stupid
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 March 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
Speaking of "Rapper's Delight" it's a shame that when Chic threatened to sue Sugar Hill and successfully forced them to change the songwriting credit, the chilling effect of that ruling put an end to the hip-hop fad of 1979
― Josefa, Friday, 13 March 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
i kinda get this, but at the same time i feel like bomb squad type productions were already on the way out, thanks to the chronic etc. and also there was no world where this wasn't eventually going to be an issue as rap got more and more popular
― da croupier, Friday, 13 March 2015 20:59 (nine years ago) link
sorry by chronic i meant dr dre's production style, there's a good window of time between that, this case, and the chronic
it's possible that this case will lead to a more precedent-setting one more explicitly about "feel," but this ain't that case
― da croupier, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
but Dre deliberately shifted his production style away from his previous sample-heavy approach in order to avoid lawsuits/payment of performance royalties (thus the invention of "interpolations" and Dre getting studio musicians to re-play P-Funk songs)
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
xpost ("this case" being pharrell/thicke vs gaye, i mean)
rap producers have been paranoid about lawsuits from day one, since Rapper's Delight, often with good reason, and their production methods shifted according to that perception of risk
xp
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link
this is a shift that was already in motion before wb upright, which is my point - it's not like o'sullivan invented saying "hey that's my song you're sampling," it's the legal precedent. and jury cases aren't legal precedent.
― da croupier, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link
Remember too the Turtles vs. De LA Soul case, which addressed sampling re:recording ownership (since the sampled song in question was a cover).
― Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 13 March 2015 21:09 (nine years ago) link
but even if, rather than being overturned (which i find quite-plausible-to-likely), the jury verdict led to a judge saying "intent + vague similarity = infringement", it's still tickling to see record critics freaking out over music becoming less derivative because of it
― da croupier, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:10 (nine years ago) link
the 2010s - a decade where the first half sounded like 80s genesis, and the second half sounded like 70s genesis
― da croupier, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:13 (nine years ago) link
just two years before the chronic Dre sounded like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiDti_Xnnmo
― raih dednelb (The Reverend), Friday, 13 March 2015 21:39 (nine years ago) link
it's still tickling to see record critics freaking out over music becoming less derivative because of it
agree this is ridiculous, but I think you're under-selling the degree to which legal issues impacted people like Dre's production styles. rap producers didn't make that production switch solely on aesthetic grounds
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:44 (nine years ago) link
looking back i wasn't being clear, but i didn't mean to imply dre was doing it solely for aesthetic reasons. when i said the change was already in motion, i meant because smart guys like dre knew you wouldn't get away with rapping over other peoples records for free forever
― da croupier, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:46 (nine years ago) link
ok yeah that makes more sense, the writing was definitely on the wall by the time of the Turtles lawsuit
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link
actually before then even - Rick James suing Hammer in '90
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:50 (nine years ago) link
as mentioned up thread, chic threatened to sue the sugarhill gang way back when
― da croupier, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:52 (nine years ago) link
i will say the bomb squad bricolage style was always going to be a novelty - and there are certainly plenty of examples of the "sample a lot of shit" aesthetic in the twenty years since the court case - it's not like the dust brothers stopped getting work, they just couldn't slap eight obvious beatles hooks together
― da croupier, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:54 (nine years ago) link
...and go gold without paying them, at least
― da croupier, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:56 (nine years ago) link