Acts whose debut album is an afterthought in their overall discography

According to wikipedia it was self-released on cassette in 1976.

Didn't know that. Guessing very, very few copies--maybe mostly a rumour until it was officially released? Don't have Versailles, no.

it's just silly to bring up please please me when we're talking about Randy Newman and Writer

"Acts whose debut album is an afterthought in their overall discography." You disagree. Wonderful.

No hits. Nothing played live. Hated/discounted by the general listening public. Even better if most fans don't even know its existence.

1. Ride The Tiger - Yo La Tengo

― kornrulez6969, Sunday, May 10, 2015 2:34 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

first post

the hitless, unrevisited, hated, almost entirely unknown album with "i saw her standing there" on it

I didn't read the first post, just the thread title. Pointed such things out without the "silly" attached works too.

"Pointing..." But then you wouldn't be you, would you?

I get hung up more on the "nothing played live" part because I know it's not absolute and nothing is disqualified cos Jimmy Marvin and the Cleveland Steamer Five decided to pull out some rarities 47 years into their career...

but I find some bands I don't know enough about what songs survived in their setlist years later to know for sure did the album outright vanish or is there still a crowd favorite that gets played from it. though setlist.fm is kinda helpful with that.

(not a criticism, it's actually made the thread more interesting)

i do think calling Please Please Me/Meet The Beatles an "afterthought" is silly, especially considering where the bar's been generally set on this thread, but i'm sorry if it really upset you to hear that - that wasn't my intent

I'm always open to being corrected if I've missed something like an opening post--just hate when there's derision attached, in the form of an "um" or theatrical disbelief or anything like that. It serves no purpose whatsoever.

i will say if you hate people mocking your addition to a thread - especially if the word "silly" used to describe the addition (not you, the addition) is enough to get you mad, you might want to read the thread

Jeez, I don't want to be part of this now, somebody jump on me instead relative to my Rolling Stones debut statement - or do you agree?

Maybe. I'd instead say that's the difference between the two of us on here. I'd simply point out to the person that they'd missed some clarification earlier in the thread. "Silly" isn't the first word I start throwing around.

i will concede you're nicer than me on ilx if you will let it go

ha i almost put that up but then saw it was big on the Uk chart as was "not fade away"

the "ha" being re: stones first album

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0002/083/MI0002083889.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

did anyone mention this one yet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanted_Dead_or_Alive_%28Warren_Zevon_album%29

7 full years before the self-titled album everyone knows, released to almost total non-reception.

per wikipedia:

Once Zevon reached stardom, Wanted Dead or Alive ended up as an all-but-forgotten relic of his early career.

i always think that first my bloody valentine album is kind of the perfect example. something even some fans pretend doesn't exist. does anyone listen to the first primal scream album? underworld another good example given what they became.

Anyway, everybody but me seems to be way past this by now, but discogs says One In Versailles had 12 songs (so, probably a full album) and the even earlier Heads Or Tails had 10, albeit on 10-inch vinyl in the latter's case.

Do you mean "You Made Me Realize", the EP?

i kind of like the early primal scream better than the stuff that made them famous

matthew sweet columbia and a&m albums another good example. girlfriend is ground zero for most of the world.

wait never mind I looked at wikipedia, "this is your bloody valentine" 1985, never heard of it before

Hey, how about the first Aretha Franklin records? Except that gospel album probably has some traction, right?

no, this MBV thing. though i guess it's more of an EP.

http://www.discogs.com/My-Bloody-Valentine-This-Is-Your-Bloody-Valentine/master/5969

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in terms of currently radio play, etc. aretha franklin's entire tenure on columbia records is kind of forgotten/an afterthought. but it's nowhere near as obscure as some of the other examples on this thread.

the band's definitely revisited it live (they just did "box full of letters" at their last show!), and it's not a total embarrassment by any means, but kinda surprised Wilco's AM hasn't come up just for being so gestative, especially considering it's in grissos screen name.

I've got one - Giles Giles & Fripp for Robert Fripp.

woah i'd honestly never even heard of that

she's not really that famous or anything, but i don't know how many people have listened to the first lisa germano album. she didn't really have her thing down at that time. still decompressing from the mellencamp years...

http://www.discogs.com/Lisa-Germano-On-The-Way-Down-From-The-Moon-Palace/master/268055

ok, here's another one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wailing_Wailers

the first wailers album, five years (i think) before "soul rebels." jamaican music at that time was very /not/ album-oriented, and most people probably don't even know that the wailers put out a LP this early.

of course, it's more of a compilation of previously-released singles than an LP, so this might need an asterisk.

I've got one - Giles Giles & Fripp for Robert Fripp.

― Vic Perry, Tuesday, May 12, 2015 8:11 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

good one! that said, i've been fucking w/ that album since the mid 90s.

re: germano i read about that album in rolling stone and lived in bloomington, indiana at the time, but even the progressive station in town didn't get on board until album two (the capitol mix)

and speaking of cougar..

http://www.discogs.com/Johnny-Cougar-Chestnut-Street-Incident/master/210401

i bought that capitol version of happiness back then just because i loved the album so much. the 4ad version anyway. played it once or twice. and i never played the first album much either.

David Bowie's David Bowie has to be the most notorious example of this, right? With "The Laughing Gnome" going top ten years later and Bowie having to cancel the interactive part of his Sound + Vision because of a prank campaign to make him include it? Are there other cases where the awkward debut was used to beat them with later?

MBV's definitely comes up as a "lol" for sure

but still, that pales to the gnome's fame

does john mellencamp still play any songs live from the first two johnny cougar albums? THAT is the question.

The second has "I Need A Lover" - though it got big in the US on the third, I think

the laughing gnome isn't actually on the first david bowie album. i really like that first album! but it is kind of a before and after thing with him.

also where worlds collide - there's an outtake for coug's first album of him covering "man who sold the world"! thank you, tony defries!

ah, didn't realize "laughing gnome" was one of the uk singles slapped onto us re-releases. those always trip me up.

i mean the album is that same kinda twee time style. but as far as that style goes, the first album is a cool artifact.

just remembered another case where someone's uncool past wound up haunting him later - Dr Dre's World Class Wreckin' Cru

http://techfaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/dre-1.jpg

though iirc dj shadow specifically thanks dre for their track "surgery" in the endtroducing liners

is Giles Giles Fripp any good?

By the way, I'm really sorry that Judy Dyble, singer on candidate lp Fairport Convention debut, didn't sing on the real first King Crimson record. I like her version of this a lot more than Greg Lake's, but according to her own note in the youtube contents:

Ian McD and I were looking for other musicians to work with, we advertised, and met up with Peter and Mike Giles and Robert Fripp, This song was one of the many that we recorded together in the front room of the flat GG& F were renting to see what we sounded like together and to get a feel for each other's music. For various reasons,I decided not to continue, and later Peter Giles bowed out. Then they added Greg, not as a replacement for me or as a substitute, but as bass-playing vocalist and lo! KC was born. I am so proud to have been a part of this process. Judy Dyble

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfqXh5s4t4k