Because they figured out how to make money?
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:33 (nineteen years ago) link
Have you ever heard: Wake of The Flood, What A Long Strange Trip 2 CD set, Skull and Roses, One From The Vault, Two From The Vault, Terrapin Station, Shakedown Street, Mars Hotel, Live Without A Net, Dick's Picks? If not, you've missed lots of great stuff and many different styles. Take advantage of archive.org and download some of the best shows out there for free!
I even happen to like the albums most deadheads don't appreciate too much, like Go To Heaven and Blues For Allah.
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 31 March 2005 03:55 (nineteen years ago) link
Regardless of what you think of their music, Phish are/were some of the best musicians AND the best songwriters out there. Don't let their fans get in the way of your judgment of the band.
That said, I'm glad they broke up. Hopefully the members will do something new and interesting.
― cdwill, Thursday, 31 March 2005 05:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― dapes, Thursday, 31 March 2005 10:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 31 March 2005 11:29 (nineteen years ago) link
The handful of times I've seen Mule live have been some of my most satisfying musical experiences. And, on occasion, the fans have contributed to that. Any crowd on any given night can wrinkle yr opinion of what's onstage, but I've always found the fans at a Mule or Phish or whatever show to simply be more at ease and actually there for the show rather than there to be, you know, seen.
Some people seem to forget we pay to see and hear the bands, not them.
But, yeah, as it was told to me: "Warren Haynes is a for real cat."
Amen to that.
― dapes, Thursday, 31 March 2005 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 31 March 2005 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link
I also did forget to mention that I dled some Disco Biscuits at the suggestion of a couple ILMers and they're great too!
Despite the contrasting opinion expressed above, I really think jam bands are comparable to jazz... and blues. Buddy Guy and Eric Clapton are great jammers.
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 31 March 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 31 March 2005 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 31 March 2005 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link
Sweet fancy moses! my compliments, you open-minded soul. if you ever want recommendations of shows or songs to check out, i will provide that service.
― Jimmy_tango, Thursday, 31 March 2005 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 31 March 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ozewayo (ozewayo), Thursday, 31 March 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link
try those two and then maybe 12/31/04 to hear something like what they sound like now. new year's eve shows can sometimes be too gimmicky, especially for someone not familiar with the band, but if you want high-energy, the 2nd set is that in spades. that 1 cd hasn't left my changer in the 4 months since the show.
― Jimmy_tango, Thursday, 31 March 2005 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 31 March 2005 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 31 March 2005 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link
Oh, I also like Ween a lot of the time, who have some overlap in this scene.
― Waking Up Onstage at Jumbo's (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 31 March 2005 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Thursday, 31 March 2005 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Thursday, 31 March 2005 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Thursday, 31 March 2005 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Friday, 1 April 2005 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0033,tracker_writer.inc,13594,.html
― xhuxk, Friday, 1 April 2005 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Friday, 1 April 2005 01:41 (nineteen years ago) link
(didn't feel this required a whole new thread)
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 1 April 2005 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link
The following is a list of jam bands, or bands on the jam-band circuit.
0-9
7 Walkers
A
Acoustic Syndicate Al and The Transamericans Allman Brothers Band Amfibian Animal Liberation Orchestra Apollo Aquarium Rescue Unit Aqueous Assembly of Dust Ataxia
B
Back Door Slam Band of Gypsys Banyan Barefoot Manner Béla Fleck and the Flecktones Benevento/Russo Duo Bernie Worrell & the WOO Warriors Big Gigantic Big Head Todd and the Monsters Big Tasty Biodiesel The Big Wu The Black Crowes
Blind Faith Blues Project Blues Traveler Bob Weir & Ratdog The Bomb Squad BoomBox The Brakes The Breakfast The Brew
The Bridge Buckethead Buckminster Fuller
C
The Cardinals Centipede Clutch The Codetalkers Colonel Bruce Hampton and the Pharaoh Gummit Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains Colonel Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade Cope Cornmeal (band) Country Joe and the Fish Cream (Band)
D
Dark Star Orchestra Dave Matthews Band David Nelson Band Deep Banana Blackout Derek Trucks Band The Dirty Dozen Brass Band The Disco Biscuits Dispatch Donavon Frankenreiter DJ Logic Donna the Buffalo
Dr.Dan Matrazzo and The Looters
E
Edie Brickell & New Bohemians The Egg Ekoostik hookah Electric Apricot The Electric Co. EOTO Evergreen (evergreenjams.com) The Expendables
F
Family Groove Company Fat Freddy's Drop Freddy Jones Band Fungus Amungus Furthur Future Rock
G
G. Love & Special Sauce Gabe Dixon Band Galactic Galapagos Garage A Trois Garaj Mahal Giant Panda Guerilla Dub Squad Gneiss God Street Wine Gov't Mule Grateful Dead Grace Potter and the Nocturnals The Grapes Greensky Bluegrass
H
The Heavy Pets Hot Buttered Rum Hot Tuna Hypnotic Clambake
I
Infamous Stringdusters Ivan Neville's Dumpstaphunk
J
Jacob Fred Jazz Odyssey Jam Camp Jazz Mandolin Project Jefferson Airplane Jerry Garcia Band JGB The Jimi Hendrix Experience The Jimmy Swift Band John Brown's Body The John Butler Trio
K
Karl Denson's Tiny Universe Keller Williams Kudzu Kings KVHW
L
Lake Trout (band) Leaf Hound Leftover Salmon Legion of Mary (band) Les Claypool Les Claypool's Frog Brigade Lettuce (band) Little Barrie Little Feat Liquid Soul Lotus
M
The Machine Maktub Man The Mars Volta The Marshall Tucker Band Matisyahu Max Creek The McLovins Medeski Martin & Wood Medeski Scofield Martin & Wood Michael Franti & Spearhead moe. Mofro The Mother Hips Motorpsycho My Morning Jacket Moon Taxi
N
New Deal New Grass Revival New Riders of the Purple Sage New Monsoon Nickel Creek North Mississippi All-Stars The New Mastersounds
O
Old and in the Way Oteil Burbridge The Other Ones Oysterhead Ozric Tentacles O.A.R.
Octopus Nebula
P
Particle Pat McGee Band Paul Butterfield Blues Band Perpetual Groove Phil Lesh & Friends Phish Pink Floyd Pinot Polyphonic Spree Pnuma Trio Primus Pseudopod
Q
The Quark Alliance
R
The Radiators Railroad Earth RAQ Ratdog Red Levee Skyy Raw Deluxe
Rhythm Devils Robert Randolph and the Family Band Rodrigo Y Gabriela The Roots Roster McCabe Rubber Souldiers
Rusted Root RX Bandits
S
Sabbatical The Samples SerialPod Sister Hazel Slightly Stoopid The Slip Soulfarm Soulive Soul Rebels Brass Band Sound Tribe Sector 9 Spread Spearhead The Spin Doctors Sprout State Radio
Steve Kimock Band Stockholm Syndrome Strangefolk The String Cheese Incident
T
Tea Leaf Green Ten Ton Chicken Toubab Krewe Traffic Trey Anastasio Band Trigon The Tubes
U
Umoja Orchestra Umphrey's McGee
V
Vida Blue Vinyl
W
The Waybacks The Werks Ween Widespread Panic The Word Wilco
X
Xavier Rudd
Y
Yonder Mountain String Band
Z
Zero Zilla ZOX
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 9 August 2013 23:20 (eleven years ago) link
PINK FLOYD RULES
― Euler, Saturday, 10 August 2013 00:58 (eleven years ago) link
no qms = no credibility
― rushomancy, Saturday, 10 August 2013 03:45 (eleven years ago) link
Sometimes, yeah.
― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 10 August 2013 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
Seeing Cream on that list reminded me of this: obviously hardly anyone thinks of the Who as a "jam band," but I was just listening to this the other dayhttp://youtu.be/qrBi4q_9Ji4...and thinking how it just comprehensively demolishes Cream. And I like Cream, but man, the Who just flattened them.
― Shart Week (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 10 August 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
i like pretty much every power trio that ripped off cream more than i like cream. and the who could kick almost anyone's ass in a jam band contest. if they felt like it. but they'd probably be too pissed off to feel like it and they'd just give you a dirty look. and then demolish you with music.
― scott seward, Saturday, 10 August 2013 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
I think Gov't Mule is pretty good rock band. Warren Haynes is a rare modern sideman musician that was actually able to create an separate musical identity well over a decade into a career. If you like that late 60s/early 70s blues hard rock like Free or Allman Brothers or Cream etc., I'd figure you would find something to like in Gov't Mule's music.
I'd think if any of the corporate radio programmers would have mixed a band like them in on the radio next to the endless Bad Company and Led Zep or Stones tunes over the past couple of decades, they would have fit and probably would have a bit larger profile. They don't get the props but I think that is pretty canny of them to have pretty much every show they have done for years up for their fans to get from the band, usually pretty well recorded.
― earlnash, Sunday, 11 August 2013 05:13 (eleven years ago) link
I just listened to a Moe. song a friend posted on fb. It wasn't terrible.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 9 July 2016 14:53 (eight years ago) link
i love the dead (in addition to finally getting into a few shows, the americana albums are sorta obv great, and blues for allah is a gorgeous jazz fusion record anchored in songs and so feels to me very related to stuff like court and spark while also being totally different), love floyd and floyd bootlegs if those count. every time I've tried to get into phish, at least live, they seem like the worst possible evolution of fusion. their playing itself sounds so...self-involved, as much as you can ascribe that to a particular interplay. some of their songs are good though, I remember enjoying billy breathes
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Saturday, 9 July 2016 15:24 (eight years ago) link
...not enough to take on the whole of ilm on the topic. :)
― the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Saturday, 9 July 2016 22:45 (eight years ago) link
lol
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 9 July 2016 22:57 (eight years ago) link
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Saturday, 9 July 2016 23:01 (eight years ago) link
none of the newer hippie bands have songs. that's my main problem. maybe songs are beside the point. the dead had many many wonderful songs to choose from. they had an actual songbook! all the best old bands had memorable songs. allman brothers. quicksilver. new riders. little feat. also they could jam better...but they had good to great material to fall back on in if they were too stoned to play straight. i've never heard a great nu-jam band song. they might be giant songs sound like cole porter compared to phish songs.
i think it doesn't help that the bands now are completely unfunny to me. and it seems like humor is definitely a part of their thing. and its definitely zappa humor which is my least favorite kind.
it's a cult thing that i will never enjoy. and i like a lot of cult things. when people come in my store and ask if i have any phish i say no and they have no interest in anything else. they just leave. they don't look at a single record.
ALSO, i know a fanatical phish fan and i've told him that i've listened to album stuff and didn't like it and he'll say NO! you have to hear the live thing and i'll say i've listened to a lot of live stuff online...and he'll say NO! you have to go to a show!! and that right there is the heart of it. if i can't tell how good a band is by listening to any of their zillion albums or live shows online...i mean, that is some extra-musical cult-like activity.
― scott seward, Sunday, 10 July 2016 00:50 (eight years ago) link
also, yes, the dead could definitely make me cringe when they did "funky", but nothing like any of the newer bands doing "funky". kinda think there should a law against it. that and their takes on "reggae".
― scott seward, Sunday, 10 July 2016 00:52 (eight years ago) link
i also know that arguing with fans of these bands is pointless. like fighting with limp bizkit fans or something. just not worth it.
― scott seward, Sunday, 10 July 2016 00:54 (eight years ago) link
well... you have to take it for granted that jam band people will be fanatical about set and setting. i find the best way to listen to any band is to ignore anybody who listens to that band to the exclusion of all other music.
the alleged lack of tunes isn't really a weak side for me, but i listen to, you know, berlin school stuff, which isn't exactly known for its hummable melodies. compared to pink era tangerine dream, most jam bands sound like max fucking martin.
― the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Sunday, 10 July 2016 00:58 (eight years ago) link
I spent close to four years sharing office space with Relix magazine. Jam band music is the worst music on Earth. If I had to rank major jam bands in order of least to most intolerable it would probably go:
The Allman Brothers BandMedeski, Martin & WoodGrateful DeadGov't MuleWidespread PanicUmphrey's McGeePhishThe Disco Biscuits (aka The Worst Fucking Band On Earth)
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 10 July 2016 01:01 (eight years ago) link
it does make me feel a little jerky to slam the stuff because it really is music for normal white people who feel at home seeing uncool people who look like them onstage and there is something, uh, endearing about that, i guess. i always wanted to see totally cool people who were nothing like me onstage. Ghost were kind of my live ideal in the 90's as far as jam bands go.
― scott seward, Sunday, 10 July 2016 01:15 (eight years ago) link
It's never made any sense to me that Dave Matthews is gladly accepted into this category. I guess a live show makes the difference, but he seems like a fairly traditional artist/songwriter to me.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 10 July 2016 01:17 (eight years ago) link
i would say that a group like govt mule actually does cross over with older rock fans and fans of older bands. duh, allman brothers fans. but i feel like widespread panic, disco biscuits, string cheese, etc have very little crossover. they are in that hermetically sealed cult world. the wider world has no knowledge of them. something they share with polka fans and probably circa 2016 drum 'n' bass fans. all kinds of people bought grateful dead albums. all kinds of people don't buy phish albums.
― scott seward, Sunday, 10 July 2016 01:22 (eight years ago) link
also this stuff only really exists here, right? as far as fandom goes? phish never even go to europe, i don't think. maybe its all for the best that phish stay home...
― scott seward, Sunday, 10 July 2016 01:28 (eight years ago) link
yeah i was just gonna compare jam band music to, like, lawrence welk. i never watched lawrence welk when it was on the air, but i don't have any great objection to it, and there's some polka music i like a lot. i mean i really dig "die knodel" for instance. so while i've never heard the disco biscuits and never have any desire to, i do definitely enjoy listening to, say, ween, or my morning jacket.
― the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Sunday, 10 July 2016 01:32 (eight years ago) link
polka bands jam so hard. they are insane musicians. great songs too. and choice covers. more fun in general. the local polka radio shows here will play new stuff and it's like a ridiculous level of shredding.
― scott seward, Sunday, 10 July 2016 01:34 (eight years ago) link
i mean people like to talk shit about myron floren but that dude could shred.
― the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Sunday, 10 July 2016 01:37 (eight years ago) link
i used to love phish & saw them like 20x but idk i grew out of it, havent listened to them in yrs
oddly they are playing in my area TONIGHT i think, i considered going tbh & id prob still like it but i could never see myself listening to them @ home & obv never as nearly exclusively as i did for awhile, again
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 10 July 2016 01:44 (eight years ago) link
When I was editor of Global Rhythm we ran a profile on Jimmy Sturr once. That dude has won 18 Grammys!
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 10 July 2016 01:48 (eight years ago) link