this album is pretty special huh
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 21:38 (nine years ago) link
I love it now.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 June 2015 21:43 (nine years ago) link
― lex pretend, Tuesday, June 30, 2015 9:38 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yep
also really amazing sounding - the enormous bass!
― Tim F, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 23:04 (nine years ago) link
was just gonna talk about the bass. I think this album was made just strictly for my taste
― Spottie, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 06:25 (nine years ago) link
the "birds & bees" beat sounds like mezzanine-era massive attack
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 08:14 (nine years ago) link
Woah that is spot on
― Tim F, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 08:51 (nine years ago) link
that and all the featuring birds being of the topley variety
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 09:10 (nine years ago) link
ha -- I was going to say Angels with Dirty Faces
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 July 2015 11:04 (nine years ago) link
i felt like there was a lot of tricky about vince himself, haven't worked out whether it was just the above sonic associations making me think so
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 1 July 2015 11:15 (nine years ago) link
too early in the romance to say but this probably an AOTY contender for me.
― Tim F, Thursday, 2 July 2015 00:53 (nine years ago) link
Tim!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 00:54 (nine years ago) link
Alfred?
― Tim F, Thursday, 2 July 2015 02:12 (nine years ago) link
performing on Jimmy Kimmel tonight
― some dude, Thursday, 2 July 2015 03:07 (nine years ago) link
ha -- no, just surprised.
xpost
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 11:13 (nine years ago) link
idk I have pretty corny taste in rap and if you plotted a through line of my favourite rap albums of the last ten years or so it would lead straight to this.
― Tim F, Thursday, 2 July 2015 13:07 (nine years ago) link
really loving this, love all the call and response female vox in this
also FUCK YOU VINCE for this little deep thought in "Surf"
More black kids killed from a pill than the FEDs in the projectsIn the planned parenthood playin' God with ya mom's check, you ain't even been to prom yetSixteen, heard you wanna be a star girlWhat he charge for the dream that you bought girl
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― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 14:04 (nine years ago) link
The angle of "Can you believe this 22-year-old doesn't know about NWA or Public Enemy!?!?" in this article was pretty annoying:http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/stapless-center-getting-to-the-heart-of-things-with-the-summertime-06-rapper/
― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 2 July 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link
the 50 Cent was third grade thing was more o_O the terror of time & all its sickening crime for me, yikes
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 15:01 (nine years ago) link
i want to believe that vince is more talking about the literal fact that underage pregnancies happen rather than passing judgment on how they're dealt with but at the same time the heavy christian influence among a lot of rappers does lead to some version of prolife opinions in several instances (theres an infamous ghostface lyric to this effect on pretty toney, iirc, for example)
(xxpost)
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 2 July 2015 15:13 (nine years ago) link
damn this is kind of astonishing on contact
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 July 2015 16:28 (nine years ago) link
idk, kinda finding the whole mise en scene a bit prissy and ultimately detrimental for a rap alb tbh (tim trying to head this off at the pass i assume)
i mean if it was like john talabot ft fka twigs & yelawolf i'd probably bust two gunshots but
― r|t|c, Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:14 (nine years ago) link
not remotely in the mood for this atmos right now in fairness tho, maybe when my heart is full of murder like idk ilx eoy time it'll click a treat
― r|t|c, Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
idk i've found myself steadily entranced by this record, always starting it like "i mean this is good but idk if i'm into this into this" and by the halfway point i'm like "oh hell yeah"
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:31 (nine years ago) link
1-2 of "jump off the roof" and "señorita" helps
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
"Senorita" is like the worst song on the album imo, the random 2 Future bars looped as a hook sound awkward as hell
― some dude, Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:36 (nine years ago) link
is this coming out on vinyl or am i gonnna have to find a Best Buy and buy the CD
― alpine static, Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link
yeah "Senorita" is my least favorite thing.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:53 (nine years ago) link
idk it's fun y'all
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 July 2015 18:36 (nine years ago) link
― r|t|c, Thursday, July 2, 2015 1:14 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
hahaha
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 2 July 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:13 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah that pro-life stance isn't uncommon in hip hop but it bothers the shit out of me
i think your interpretation is um...well let me just caution don't throw your back out doing those gymnastics
overall though this album is great! there's probably at least 1 completely deplorable line on every rap album i've ever loved, or a lot more, i don't mean to characterize vince as particularly bad, i dig his general vibe
that said I'm not sure if I like it more than Warm Brew & I would encourage anyone outside the goon thread to bump that album at least once
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 18:52 (nine years ago) link
Vince is a pissy guy who says incendiary things, so that makes his pro-life lines a little easier to reconcile, since they fit his M.O. of lashing out at everybody. Not excusing them, of course, but it's less jarring to me than when somebody like Common drops judgey lines like that into their songs as if they're intended as gospel
― Evan R, Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
i mean i dunno that's basically just deciding a reason to give him a pass and not commmon
but wrt to common it's not necessarily jarring to me or unexpected because i feel like anti-feminism and pro-life stuff has always been a part of conscious rap because of 5 percenter stuff which is one of the cores of conscious rap wrt like Lord "trill o'reilly" Jamar
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 22:00 (nine years ago) link
Haven't heard this yet, so no judgement (and never expect worthwhile social commentary from anybody in any medium, the more pleasantly to be surprised), but not into anti-contraception as "pro-life," nor "conscious" incl. anti-feminism, tho as former music retailer know how bullshit most tags are as anything more than convenience.
― dow, Thursday, 2 July 2015 22:31 (nine years ago) link
― Evan R, Thursday, July 2, 2015 3:41 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah god forbid a substantial, provocative and wide ranging album contain a line or two that doesn't perfectly align with our worldviews, let's definitely lose our shit about it
― some dude, Thursday, 2 July 2015 23:01 (nine years ago) link
I said I like the album, it's a great album how is that losing my shit
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 23:51 (nine years ago) link
Unless that was meant as a board description
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 23:52 (nine years ago) link
Also Dow he's talking about the morning after pill not birth control, but actually being anti contraception is worse actually
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 July 2015 23:53 (nine years ago) link
as far as mental gymnastics go idk my back didn't hurt that much, I speculated he could literally just be saying "this shit happens" and not meaning "this shit happens and /is horrible across the board/," because this is an album with nuance in spades! if he does literally mean he opposes what he's talking about, I obviously feel the opposite and it bothers me. the possibility certainly bothers me
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 2 July 2015 23:54 (nine years ago) link
but would also surprise me, is all, bc vince doesn't seem in all his interviews and in the perspective he puts across through his music, to be a conservative dude who wants to slutshame or rope women into motherhood
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 2 July 2015 23:58 (nine years ago) link
I think that verse needs to be seen in the context of the entire song, which I take as being about the reality behind the fantasy (first verse dealing with the glamour of being in gangs). "Sixteen, heard you wanna be a star girl / What he charge for the dream that you bought, girl?" and then later "I ain't really trying to judge / you be looking for somebody you can love / He was looking for somebody he could fuck / Took your body, wouldn't bother with you none."
i.e. taking the morning after pill at planned parenthood alone is the reality of the addressee's fantasies of fame/fortune/love.
You could say it's still slut-shaming (in a "don't let yourself get used" sense) but it doesn't strike me as pro-life really.
― Tim F, Friday, 3 July 2015 00:17 (nine years ago) link
― r|t|c, Thursday, July 2, 2015 5:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
more like trying to greet it at the door like an old friend (and lol @ john talabot ft fka twigs & yelawolf)
― Tim F, Friday, 3 July 2015 00:18 (nine years ago) link
After a couple listens this is probably my AOTY so far.
Putting aside the religious overtones, a lot of black people are very suspicious of planned parenthood which is entirely understandable given American history, and the wealth of misinformation available on the net.
While the suppression of the black population via family planning holds no water as a coordinated conspiracy, it manifests as a social reality when a hugely disproportionate number of aborted foetuses have always been black even when controlling for income. You don't have to be pro-life to believe that this is a problem.
Always thought the great thing about Common's Retrospective for Life was that it was reconcilable with a pro-choice stance.
― Hikikomori Povich (tsrobodo), Friday, 3 July 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link
I haven't given this a long concentrated listen yet which it kind of demands
i suspect ill end up liking it but i do find his voice non-dynamic in short bursts, and i wish his rapping showed more of the personality that he shows in interviews.
I suspect that I'm liable to treat this more like a 3/4 star album & come around more fully as he evolves as an artist. i don't want to sound down on it, it's "obviously" good, but i think in part i'm also just allergic to consensus
― supreme problematics (D-40), Saturday, 4 July 2015 00:25 (nine years ago) link
lol maybe just listen to it until you can say something that isn't speculating on the arc of your own future opinions then
that said, i do agree that he's a hilariously funny guy who rarely puts that into his lyrics and it maybe wouldn't hurt if he tried it here and there. there's wit on the album but it's a very dry wit, he makes you work for it, for better or worse.
― some dude, Saturday, 4 July 2015 00:34 (nine years ago) link
Al, give David a break. I've listened to this album twice and I know exactly what he means (and feel the same). It's an album to live with.
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 4 July 2015 03:15 (nine years ago) link
lmao
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― lag∞n, Monday, 6 July 2015 17:11 (nine years ago) link
getting an early Shabazz Palaces vibe from some of the beats on this
― lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:41 (nine years ago) link
yeah that 50 cent line freaked me out!!!
this is still holding up well
Cali has been killing it the past couple years IMO when you think about it
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link
boy this album gets better w/each play
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:30 (nine years ago) link
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― just sayin, Thursday, 9 July 2015 00:35 (nine years ago) link