Future - Honest (2014)

Drake been obeying his thirst from time

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Oh and re. Future, DS2 is cool but I think 56 Nights crazy

Wtf does that even mean

I meant it's not up to the caliber of his other albums. In both quality and sound, it feels like a mixtape to me.

It's got a sustained vibe, and I appreciate that. Honest was a lot more scattershot, and maybe even jumbled, but song for song it was so much better than this one

i kinda prefer the cold, grimly focused asshole future to the warbling romantic future. when was it obvious he'd switched? i lost interest in him for a while.

It's got a sustained vibe, and I appreciate that. Honest was a lot more scattershot, and maybe even jumbled, but song for song it was so much better than this one

― Evan R, Monday, July 20, 2015 4:30 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Strong disagree. Although I don't think this one is as good as 56 Nights

i kinda prefer the cold, grimly focused asshole future to the warbling romantic future.

I want to agree with this, but I'll take maudlin romantic Future over the asshole shaming his ex on "Rotation" any day

i think the beats on this are better. cold and mechanical, they fit.

xp you'll take the lies over the honest post-break-up bitterness then

yeah, of course. songwriters have unlimited license to lie; that's why songs are great

i mean i'm not impressed by future exhuming a homophobic slur i thought most successful rappers aside from tyler were carefully avoiding, either

i kinda prefer the cold, grimly focused asshole future to the warbling romantic future. when was it obvious he'd switched? i lost interest in him for a while.

it's been the dominant aesthetic from monster on

xp yup otm

ah i pretty much missed monster and beast mode

xp

great review deej

the thing the pre/post narratives seem to fatally downplay is that he was above all a great, singular romantic; it makes the contrast starker, and the question whether he expresses himself as numb depresso street addict as fully. idc much tho tbh

monster contains it's fair share of, like, songs that might be 'pop'

56 nights and ds2 are grim throughout

i would pay for a drake-less edit of that one song

i'm a big stan for "Loveeeeeee Song" Future but Honest didn't even that spot all that well and the production often sounded ill-fitting or weirdly chintzy. the Amadou & Mariam sample, even the "Benz Friends" beat was not really suited to Future that well. DS2 just sounds like all the producers he has real chemistry with trying to make the biggest nastiest beats they've ever made.

"i serve the base" is one of his best songs

good review, deej!

Good post rtc

Thanks yall

I just took a piss and I seen codeine coming out

:/

"i kinda prefer the cold, grimly focused asshole future to the warbling romantic future."

ditto. the latter version just seems like he cant ever be romantic without some sort of bro-ish clause that keeps his guard up. i dont find this 'fascinating conflict' all that fascinating, more bothersome.

immature actually, rather than bothersome

feels like a lot of praise (is that the right word?) for this album itt is more along the lines of "I like what he's trying to do" than "I like what he's done," or am I misreading that?

Been a minute since I listened to it, but there's a lot I like about Pluto that isn't present at all here. Not that it would necessarily matter, just that it's consistently solid, not great? idk, just keep hearing that dude's at his creative peak & feel like I'm missing something, or maybe just like(d) his music for different reasons

I think there can be different reasons for liking Future at different points in his career. I do miss a clear successor to My Savages and Jus Like Bruddas on here, as that where his emotive powers have gone post the Ciara breakup, when romantic love no longer seemed an lotion. A Hardly or Codeine Crazy would be nice too. However, as deej rightly points out, every bit of this seems to be emotionally charged in ways the earlier stuff wasn't, as if all this pain and confusion and regret and anger somehow got more focused once he let go of the idea of writing proper songs.

*that's

He used to write great songs, though. And there aren't many of those on this.

something on this like "throw away" or "codeine crazy" would be cool but i also really like its focus

I think this is the best stuff he's released so far. I really enjoy the overall mood, driving at night listening to it in San Antonio was nice.

this hasn't really clicked for me yet but 56 nights took a while too

btw hi rollie?!

i actually listened to that long ass interview on the spotify version on the train home today. iirc he says he was pissed off that him & mike will were cut out of ciara's album? he def comes across like he blames the lukewarm reception of honest on that relationship.

best thing about the interview was that it made me go and listen to 'racks' again which i'd unfortunately forgotten about

I never knew Honest was ill thought of, I love at least 85% of it.

I do like the kind of pained sound of some later songs here, "Slave Master," "Blood on the Money," "Kno the Meaning" and the percocet one

"Blood On The Money" is fantastic

yo, ilx, man, meet the dek that killed me

http://www.thefader.com/2015/07/22/future-chicago-concert-review

ahem

top dek

easily the best run in DS2 is the last three tracks. what's with rappers backloading albums all of a sudden?

the extra tracks or regular edition?

the percocet track is good

the deluxe edition two of the last three tracks are previously released mixtape tracks, prob not what youre talking abt tho xp

i meant standard, which even in this day and age still means "the album" to me. "colossal," "rich sex" and "blood on the money" are so much more developed and feel like such a breath of fresh air after all the plodding beforehand. like the new carly, i'm surprised some of the bonuses are bonuses ("kno the meaning" and especially "percocet" are better than most of the record proper, and would've added some needed variety); unlike the new carly, i don't think the standard works as is. ("trap n****s," "real sisters" and "commas" aren't the mixtape repeats i would've chosen, either, but since they're bonus tracks i'm not really sure what they're doing here anyway.) going to give it a fourth and fifth listen this weekend but so far it just feels poorly sequenced/selected. the lyrics ring thin, too, i love the idea of a depressed dissolute wordsmith drowning in lean and vocal effects, but it feels like he's done that so much better before (and some real clunkers abound: "i ain't got no manners for sluts / i'mma put my thumb in her butt," the entire chorus of "drought," and the lyrics are a weak point even on the good tracks).

i feel like some people are appraising the narrative and the idea of this record more than the record, applying a curve proportional to their estimation of whatever's their favorite mixtape of his past three (plus his other recent work – how is "news or somthn" not on this, btw?). the most common take i've seen rounds to something like "maybe his worst, but still good," which i think says something. there's been a lot of deliberate mythmaking here (the like i never left documentary, a pretty protracted hype ramp, even moments in the music itself – like the melodramatic yarn about how beast mode came to be in "kno the meaning"), and i'm left feeling that was all compensatory. i like the story as much as anyone, but if anything this is the first time he's sounded tired to me.

imo, ds2 is enjoying a critical boost from (a) the cumulative effect of the three good mixtapes (and thus the anticipation), and (b) the natural tendency of folks to latch onto a redemption story (after the minor disappointment of Honest)

the deluxe edition two of the last three tracks are previously released mixtape tracks, prob not what youre talking abt tho xp

― lag∞n, Thursday, July 23, 2015 11:08 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

3 of the last 5! personally i think this was a wasted opportunity not to do what i always wish rappers would do, give the album a whole bonus disc of popular mixtape songs.

@alpinestatic yup exactly

And also it's a very good album, lol.

The deluxe is obv where it's at, and the redemption story is wack in so far as it downplays the greatness of pre-Monster Future. But there was a moment there - summer/fall 2014 - when just about everyone thought he was done. Monster wasn't even reviewers by p4k - a first! And yeah, he switched up (or down) his style. But he did make it work. Blood On The Money is just as much a songwriter-Future type song as anything on Honest so it's not as though he has lost his abilities.

I will say though that the return of crooning r&b Future on the Dej Loaf EP feels very welcome.

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