I liked the first vv too
― autogucci cru (deej), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Operation Doomsday > Mr. Hood > Madvillainy > Bl_ck B_st_rds > VV1 > Geedorah > Ghostface's verse on The Mask/The Madvillainy Remix EPs/The Madlib remix of Sofa King/all that other shit > DangerDoom > Born Like This >>>> VV2.
Pretty much everything up until Madvillainy is a classic in his career though, while DD/BLT are still good.
― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:42 (fifteen years ago) link
I agree pretty much with that
― autogucci cru (deej), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 16:22 (fifteen years ago) link
And where is the source for that bit of journalism
― autogucci cru (deej), Thursday, 2 April 2009 00:16 (8 hours ago
― wilter, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 22:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Also that Batty Boy track is piss poor. I can't work out what's worse, the suggestion that gay men should be battered with baseball bats or the will-this-do? delivery.
― Doran, Wednesday, April 1, 2009 3:20 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I don't think you get the song.
― chinese electrodribble torture (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 22:58 (fifteen years ago) link
― wilter, Wednesday, April 1, 2009 5:55 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
listing favorites is not journalism...
― autogucci cru (deej), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:20 (fifteen years ago) link
what?
I just wanted to know about the label-on-his-back story
― wilter, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Not to beat the overused beats thing into the ground, but some of the self produced tracks on this are just Doom phoning it in over beats that were on the Special Herbs & Spices series like 4 years ago.
― BRTO (Mexican Sleeping Pill), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:29 (fifteen years ago) link
oh nev mind xp
― autogucci cru (deej), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Also that Batty Boy track is piss poor. I can't work out what's worse, the suggestion that gay men should be battered with baseball bats or the will-this-do? delivery.― Doran, Wednesday, April 1, 2009 3:20 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban PermalinkI don't think you get the song.― chinese electrodribble torture (The Reverend), Wednesday, April 1, 2009 6:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― chinese electrodribble torture (The Reverend), Wednesday, April 1, 2009 6:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
GET A BRAIN DORANS
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 2 April 2009 00:17 (fifteen years ago) link
batty = first rap slashfic?
― zappi, Thursday, 2 April 2009 00:23 (fifteen years ago) link
hahahahaha
― arabian prins (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 April 2009 00:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Nah
Thinking more of what they can't explore, likethe cartoon Donald Duck is giving fellatio on the floorwith Reed Richards, looking at The Thing's naked pictures
--Doc Octagon, 1996
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 2 April 2009 00:30 (fifteen years ago) link
very disturbed that it took you just 4 mins to come up with that
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 2 April 2009 01:09 (fifteen years ago) link
batty boys is a weird track, i'm still trying to work out what he's getting at there.
i don't know where this album is in the ranking of doom albums (i have doomsday, gheedorah, madvilliany, 2nd victor vaughn, some of the herbs and spices mixes) and i don't see why that's particularly important. just because it's his fifth best album or whatever ... a bit like complaining about led zep or black sabbath's fifth best, isn't it?
― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 2 April 2009 03:20 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm aware of third person narratives etc. And I've been listening to Doom's stuff since about 2000, so I'm aware of what he does.
I just don't think there's that much there to 'get'. This isn't a bad album, just too dull, too lazy.
― Doran, Thursday, 2 April 2009 12:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Dull and lazy? Maybe compared to Madvillain, but that was a collaboration....to my ears, Bazillion ear thru Rap Ambush and Microwave Mayo thru That's That represent near-perfect Doom...the samples might be old, but the lyrical flow is as dense as ever, so much so that I still pick out new couplets after listening to it 20ish times. If anything, its a rather inconsistant effort, but still as good as any hip-hop released in the last two years. And re: "Batty Boyz", if listened to in the context that its intended (Doom, supervillain, ranking on the homoeroticism of his competition),it is not offensive at all.
― Space Is The Place, Thursday, 2 April 2009 12:52 (fifteen years ago) link
picking out the one time KRS-ONE says "GAY!!" is ridiculous.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 2 April 2009 13:19 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm not threatening to wrap myself in a rainbow flag and set myself on fire outside Lex's offices (no, not McPherson's offices), I just think it's a bit lame, that's all. The KRS One comparison doesn't hold that much water.
Space Is The Place: Maybe I need to give it another listen - I didn't glean what you did from it but I should probably listen to it again. After all, the bugger did send me a natty, reversible DOOM mask through the post. It's the least I can do.
― Doran, Thursday, 2 April 2009 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link
I hear "Batty Boyz" as a sendup of rap homophobia as much as anything.
― Washing Ton (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 April 2009 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link
I'd be with you, but there's no big "hey, i'm joking" sign anywhere. its message is left kind of ambiguous
― splattergories (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 2 April 2009 21:19 (fifteen years ago) link
i wish i was more comfortable with it because it's probably the second best song on the record after the one with kurius
I fucking love this:
Wrote this lyric in bed with a chick/She had the tightest grip around the head of myyyyy...
[lengthy instrumental bridge]
...Bic. Now can I my pen back?/Got no enemy; got no friend, black.
― splattergories (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 2 April 2009 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link
The big "hey, I'm joking" sign is that it's fucking about Batman and Robin.
(almost worded that very poorly)
― The-Reverend (rev), Thursday, 2 April 2009 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm huge mf doom fan but for some reason I don't really feel a need to listen to this album I don't know why
― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 April 2009 23:31 (fifteen years ago) link
The big "hey, I'm joking" sign is that it's about Batman and Robin fucking.
― The Lost Boys Buff Guy Playing Sax (rockapads), Thursday, 2 April 2009 23:57 (fifteen years ago) link
I am enjoying this album. Rap Ambush is the one I've been playing the most - I listened to Ballskin and That's That about a hundred times each while looking forward to this thing releasing.
― The Lost Boys Buff Guy Playing Sax (rockapads), Thursday, 2 April 2009 23:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Ah, I see, Rev! I never figured that the whole thing was about Batman!
― splattergories (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 3 April 2009 00:05 (fifteen years ago) link
I can't tell if you are sarcasms or not.
― sugjust blaze (The Reverend), Friday, 3 April 2009 00:24 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm not. I thought it was just a bunch of gay jokes followed by some batman stuff in the second verse
― splattergories (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 3 April 2009 00:44 (fifteen years ago) link
he does include a semi-cryptic explanation too: "There's gay choice/no hate debate/becomes a problem when they try to go straight/and raise the monster rate in the whole population/its starting to affect the super-pimpin occupation"
― Space Is The Place, Friday, 3 April 2009 10:21 (fifteen years ago) link
but my favorite line has to be:
"More rhymin/pure diamond/tore hymen/poor timin'/raw linin/Paul Simon tourin?/I'm in!"
― Space Is The Place, Friday, 3 April 2009 10:22 (fifteen years ago) link
― splattergories (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, April 2, 2009 7:44 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
THE BEAT IS A BATMAN SAMPLE
― Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags), Friday, 3 April 2009 15:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, it's really funny to me that Vast Aire's last album had a track where he's Batman. I don't think this is intended as a Vast dis, though, since they're pretty tight as far as I know.
― Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags), Friday, 3 April 2009 15:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Listening to "Batty-Boys" again, and I'm still really uncomfortable with it. I don't sense any wink or irony it it.
― display names have been changed to protect the innocent (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 3 April 2009 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Same...
― ilxor, Saturday, 4 April 2009 05:17 (fifteen years ago) link
You know, I think the trick is to remember that he is a character. Doom is the SUPERVILLAIN.
And villains naturally would chill in their underground lairs making gay jokes about superheroes who where tights
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 4 April 2009 05:53 (fifteen years ago) link
^^^money store
― sugjust blaze (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 April 2009 05:55 (fifteen years ago) link
My expectations were way too high for this album.. oh well. I still like it, but I thought he was capable of the OK Computer of hiphop... whatever that's supposed to mean..
― billstevejim, Saturday, 4 April 2009 05:56 (fifteen years ago) link
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8054/gqoe2.jpg
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 4 April 2009 05:59 (fifteen years ago) link
lol
― sugjust blaze (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 April 2009 06:00 (fifteen years ago) link
― sugjust blaze (The Reverend), Saturday, April 4, 2009 5:55 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
not sure how i feel about this
― just DO THE STANKY HOOS plain and steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 4 April 2009 07:48 (fifteen years ago) link
but i respect that u r making innovative moves
oh shit, I can't believe I fucked that up, supposed to read "money house"
― sugjust blaze (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 April 2009 11:03 (fifteen years ago) link
gettin my dollar stores and money houses mixed up :/
Vast Aire feat. Geechie Suede - The Dynamic Duo
― Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags), Saturday, 4 April 2009 12:13 (fifteen years ago) link
listening to Goodie Mob right now, and Khujo - as usual - is much more poisonous and offensive than doom ever was in homophobia. And he's not even funny!
― Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:45 (fifteen years ago) link
little confused by the Doom profile in the New Yorker this week. i mean, if you're gonna do something on Doom, why now? ok, so you can bitch about the current state of rap... but again, is Doom really the right stand in for the "Golden Era." very confusing.
i love Doom and the New Yorker but they should really stick to shit like this http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann?yrail
― Moreno, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 03:57 (fourteen years ago) link
There are a couple funny parts though - Doom driving around LA (or being driven around by his driver who's named after the robot from Short Circuit) getting drunk instead of going to the studio and trying to write a rap about the chimp who killed his owner from the chimps perspective.
Also, excited to hear work's finally being done on another colab w/ Madlib.
― Moreno, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 15:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Not a subscriber, so I only see an abstract at the moment. Sad, I'd like to read it.
― picked up the sneer-slack (sciolism), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link