Future - Honest (2014)

I just took a piss and I seen codeine coming out

:/

"i kinda prefer the cold, grimly focused asshole future to the warbling romantic future."

ditto. the latter version just seems like he cant ever be romantic without some sort of bro-ish clause that keeps his guard up. i dont find this 'fascinating conflict' all that fascinating, more bothersome.

immature actually, rather than bothersome

feels like a lot of praise (is that the right word?) for this album itt is more along the lines of "I like what he's trying to do" than "I like what he's done," or am I misreading that?

Been a minute since I listened to it, but there's a lot I like about Pluto that isn't present at all here. Not that it would necessarily matter, just that it's consistently solid, not great? idk, just keep hearing that dude's at his creative peak & feel like I'm missing something, or maybe just like(d) his music for different reasons

I think there can be different reasons for liking Future at different points in his career. I do miss a clear successor to My Savages and Jus Like Bruddas on here, as that where his emotive powers have gone post the Ciara breakup, when romantic love no longer seemed an lotion. A Hardly or Codeine Crazy would be nice too. However, as deej rightly points out, every bit of this seems to be emotionally charged in ways the earlier stuff wasn't, as if all this pain and confusion and regret and anger somehow got more focused once he let go of the idea of writing proper songs.

*that's

He used to write great songs, though. And there aren't many of those on this.

something on this like "throw away" or "codeine crazy" would be cool but i also really like its focus

I think this is the best stuff he's released so far. I really enjoy the overall mood, driving at night listening to it in San Antonio was nice.

this hasn't really clicked for me yet but 56 nights took a while too

btw hi rollie?!

i actually listened to that long ass interview on the spotify version on the train home today. iirc he says he was pissed off that him & mike will were cut out of ciara's album? he def comes across like he blames the lukewarm reception of honest on that relationship.

best thing about the interview was that it made me go and listen to 'racks' again which i'd unfortunately forgotten about

I never knew Honest was ill thought of, I love at least 85% of it.

I do like the kind of pained sound of some later songs here, "Slave Master," "Blood on the Money," "Kno the Meaning" and the percocet one

"Blood On The Money" is fantastic

yo, ilx, man, meet the dek that killed me

http://www.thefader.com/2015/07/22/future-chicago-concert-review

ahem

top dek

easily the best run in DS2 is the last three tracks. what's with rappers backloading albums all of a sudden?

the extra tracks or regular edition?

the percocet track is good

the deluxe edition two of the last three tracks are previously released mixtape tracks, prob not what youre talking abt tho xp

i meant standard, which even in this day and age still means "the album" to me. "colossal," "rich sex" and "blood on the money" are so much more developed and feel like such a breath of fresh air after all the plodding beforehand. like the new carly, i'm surprised some of the bonuses are bonuses ("kno the meaning" and especially "percocet" are better than most of the record proper, and would've added some needed variety); unlike the new carly, i don't think the standard works as is. ("trap n****s," "real sisters" and "commas" aren't the mixtape repeats i would've chosen, either, but since they're bonus tracks i'm not really sure what they're doing here anyway.) going to give it a fourth and fifth listen this weekend but so far it just feels poorly sequenced/selected. the lyrics ring thin, too, i love the idea of a depressed dissolute wordsmith drowning in lean and vocal effects, but it feels like he's done that so much better before (and some real clunkers abound: "i ain't got no manners for sluts / i'mma put my thumb in her butt," the entire chorus of "drought," and the lyrics are a weak point even on the good tracks).

i feel like some people are appraising the narrative and the idea of this record more than the record, applying a curve proportional to their estimation of whatever's their favorite mixtape of his past three (plus his other recent work – how is "news or somthn" not on this, btw?). the most common take i've seen rounds to something like "maybe his worst, but still good," which i think says something. there's been a lot of deliberate mythmaking here (the like i never left documentary, a pretty protracted hype ramp, even moments in the music itself – like the melodramatic yarn about how beast mode came to be in "kno the meaning"), and i'm left feeling that was all compensatory. i like the story as much as anyone, but if anything this is the first time he's sounded tired to me.

imo, ds2 is enjoying a critical boost from (a) the cumulative effect of the three good mixtapes (and thus the anticipation), and (b) the natural tendency of folks to latch onto a redemption story (after the minor disappointment of Honest)

the deluxe edition two of the last three tracks are previously released mixtape tracks, prob not what youre talking abt tho xp

― lag∞n, Thursday, July 23, 2015 11:08 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

3 of the last 5! personally i think this was a wasted opportunity not to do what i always wish rappers would do, give the album a whole bonus disc of popular mixtape songs.

@alpinestatic yup exactly

And also it's a very good album, lol.

The deluxe is obv where it's at, and the redemption story is wack in so far as it downplays the greatness of pre-Monster Future. But there was a moment there - summer/fall 2014 - when just about everyone thought he was done. Monster wasn't even reviewers by p4k - a first! And yeah, he switched up (or down) his style. But he did make it work. Blood On The Money is just as much a songwriter-Future type song as anything on Honest so it's not as though he has lost his abilities.

I will say though that the return of crooning r&b Future on the Dej Loaf EP feels very welcome.

* reviewed.

the Future comeback story is like the Mama Said Knock You Out comeback story, you get that he had a new momentum, but at the same time, LL had JUST been having hits like "Jingling Baby" in his supposed fallow period

btw DS2 sold in one week what Honest sold in total, wow

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6641077/future-first-number-1-album-billboard-200

have to confess ive never gotten the critical love for future (makes me cringe a bit), though i do like various songs, and the new album is really good actually - can i interrupt this thread for a quick S/D for johnny come latelys like myself? i thought honest was patchy really, and had the same issues with it that i did a lot of the dream's work, but i liked pluto. not heard anything since apart from the new one.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOM BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM mumble mumble trip-a-let

grats future on ur #1 u deserve it

i do it for my fans

I love that the chorus on a song called "The Percocet and Stripper Joint" is "I just did a dose of percocet with some strippers."

Not sure how often I'll want to sit through the whole album -- it's a little monotonous. But lots of good tracks.

"Rapper loses his way/gets too soft, then comes back harder, colder and hungrier than ever" is always a great narrative. There are two reasons why it's not doing it for me here, though. First, DS2 doesn't actually bang any harder than a lot of the tracks from Future's "soft" period.

And the more troubling one is he's reinvented himself as this cold, heartless asshole, and it's not just a fictional construct, since he's doing it on the back of an ex he treated (and continues to treat) like shit. Drumming up publicity for your album by continually cutting down the mother of your child is just incomprehensibly shitty, and it's been gross and perplexing watching fans celebrate him for it.

yeah i like the album but the giddy way people are celebrating a little kid's parents trashing each other in the press is sickening

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6MufKZ6h4s

i watched this whole interview which is not my usual practice but hes just a very charismatic man, after he said he records every day spent thanksgiving spent christmas in the studio when he dated ciara it threw him off his game because he had to go out to dinner and go on vacation instead of being in the studio he said he was in the studio the day after he submitted ds2 it got me thinking abt the studio rat rapper type, like wayne and gucci it seems like thugger is the same way too these guys who are just like making new material constantly, it has to be somewhat a product of the mixtape era where you could conceivably release a good chunk of the material you recorded cause if you made 400 songs in a year and you only get to release 16 on an album whats the point, obvs cheaper/easier studio tech contributes too, i guess pac was p prolific back in the day but this seems like a relatively new lifestyle/way of making art, its very devoted and enveloped theyre living their art every day, p cool

fwiw he was pretty gracious re ciara in this one im sure u cld nitpick but really seemed like he just didnt want to talk abt it, the radio crew did tho lol

yeah Pac was prolific for his generation but i think in terms of sheer productivity these guys are on a whole other level. i think Wayne and then Gucci really set the standard of, like, if you want to be on their level you have to work this hard and make this much music. Prince is probably the only guy from outside/before modern rap who seems to keep those kinds of hours in the studio.

i guess future and thugger were mentored by gucci early on so thats prob where they got it

@lagoon producers are obviously a different breed from rappers and more inclined to studio hermitage, but dr. dre claims to have spent a period of years (i think like, close 10?) everyday in the studio without a single break. and at least a little bit of that time was spent rapping..

but yeah, definitely a mixtape/internet-era phenomenon for full-blown emcees. i remember the first time it really struck me was reading vibe's 77 best lil wayne songs of 2007 list

"And the more troubling one is he's reinvented himself as this cold, heartless asshole, and it's not just a fictional construct, since he's doing it on the back of an ex he treated (and continues to treat) like shit. Drumming up publicity for your album by continually cutting down the mother of your child is just incomprehensibly shitty, and it's been gross and perplexing watching fans celebrate him for it."

this is otm. but anyone who has heard his music should not be surprised that future is not the nicest human being.

@lagoon Migos and Thug worked directly out of the Brick Factory studio that Gucci set up in east Atlanta so they saw Gucci's insane workflow in person and were clearly influenced by it. Maybe Future was when made Free Bricks with Gucci. I would say w/r/t mixtapes, the "flood the streets" model of releasing tons of tapes probably started gaining popularity with Wayne in 2006/2007 but never to the extreme level that Gucci did it. He was putting out five tapes a year in 2006 and 2007. He put out EIGHT mixtapes in 2008. It would've probably been even more if he wasn't in jail so much. Really makes Future look like he's dogging it this year by comparison.

can u imagine how many tracks all those dudes have in their vaults my lord

@lagoon producers are obviously a different breed from rappers and more inclined to studio hermitage, but dr. dre claims to have spent a period of years (i think like, close 10?) everyday in the studio without a single break. and at least a little bit of that time was spent rapping..

― soyrev, Friday, July 24, 2015 11:28 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah was thinking this re producers premixtape days they cld still put a ton of work out via being able to collabo w multiple artis

Not sure how often I'll want to sit through the whole album -- it's a little monotonous. But lots of good tracks.

― something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra)

I made a good playlist. That's all the album needs. The album's a different kind of montonous from the Meek Mill album, which got wearying thanks to his hectoring tone.

u cn think of it as monotony but imo thats too pejorative, its a vibe is what it is get into it go deep, the songs will reveal themselves