IV1PGHouses
― brimstead, Saturday, 8 August 2015 02:16 (eight years ago) link
The only things I feel certain about though are that ITTOD is my least favorite, that III or Physical Graffiti should be at the top, and that I like I more than II. Otherwise the order could shuffle a bit.
Houses was a record I listened to a lot when I was 13/14, learning to play the guitar, and developing my first crushes, and I have very strong memories of listening to the Rain Song a lot one summer on my walkman, thinking about my crush, and just kind of generally being into the feeling of having a crush.
― five six and (man alive), Saturday, 8 August 2015 02:16 (eight years ago) link
The moment when you first learn how to play The Rain Song opening on a 12-string is pretty singular.
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 8 August 2015 02:23 (eight years ago) link
I've long suspected that Page's guitar soloing is rooted in his hired gun studio background. Come in, go splat on a track, get out. I think I like the later Zeppelin albums more because I just like that sound for them more. Jimmy Page producer >>>> Jimmy Page guitarist.― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, August 8, 2015 1:35 AM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, August 8, 2015 1:35 AM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Weren't most of the guitar overdubs on Presence done in one continuous session, with Page staying up all night fuelled by goodness knows what?
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Saturday, 8 August 2015 02:29 (eight years ago) link
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, August 7, 2015 9:23 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Totally, I spent so much frustrated time trying to figure out how to get that opening strum on a six-string in standard tuning. "I don't get it, it just sounds like a G chord but it doesn't sound like my G chord!"
― five six and (man alive), Saturday, 8 August 2015 02:50 (eight years ago) link
Supposedly...
Page had simply stayed awake for two days straight to perform all of the guitar overdubs. As he later explained:I just had to lay it down, more or less: first track... second track – you know, really fast working on that. And all the guitar overdubs on Presence were done in one night. But I didn't think I would be able to do it in one night, I thought I'd have to do it across maybe three different nights to get the individual sections. Everything sort of crystallised and you'll notice everything was just pouring out. I was very happy with the guitar playing on that whole album, you know as far as the maturity of playing goes.--- In an interview he gave to Guitar World magazine in 1998, Page stated that he worked an average of 18 to 20 hours per day during the mixing period at Musicland Studios:After the band finished recording all its parts, me and the engineer, Keith Harwood, just started mixing until we would fall asleep. Then whoever would wake up first would call the other and we'd go back in and continue to work until we passed out again.
I just had to lay it down, more or less: first track... second track – you know, really fast working on that. And all the guitar overdubs on Presence were done in one night. But I didn't think I would be able to do it in one night, I thought I'd have to do it across maybe three different nights to get the individual sections. Everything sort of crystallised and you'll notice everything was just pouring out. I was very happy with the guitar playing on that whole album, you know as far as the maturity of playing goes.
--- In an interview he gave to Guitar World magazine in 1998, Page stated that he worked an average of 18 to 20 hours per day during the mixing period at Musicland Studios:
After the band finished recording all its parts, me and the engineer, Keith Harwood, just started mixing until we would fall asleep. Then whoever would wake up first would call the other and we'd go back in and continue to work until we passed out again.
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 9 August 2015 20:06 (eight years ago) link
BTW, the 2007 expanded remaster of The Song Remains The Same is a revelation. Yes, "Dazed and Confused" is still boring. But the bonus tracks they added really do make it flow much better, and the sound is amazing. I listen to it almost as often as the studio albums.
Agreed, though I don't even think Dazed is boring (Moby Dick is still unlistenable though). The version of Rain Song is sublime.
PGIIIHOTHIIIVIPresenceITTOD......Coda
― Credit: howtokeepapositiveattitudedotcom (stevie), Monday, 10 August 2015 10:45 (eight years ago) link
also, when my friends and I were discovering Zep in our teens, the shittiness of the solo on Heartbreaker was a regular topic of discussion. I kind of like it now, though, after years of listening to other musicians fucking with the concept of "good" musicianship.
― Credit: howtokeepapositiveattitudedotcom (stevie), Monday, 10 August 2015 10:48 (eight years ago) link
PGIHOTHIVIIIIIPresenceITTOD
― droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 10 August 2015 10:56 (eight years ago) link
I'd rank them as:
IIIHouses of the HolyIVPhysical GraffitiIII
Havent heard them:PresenceIn Through The Out Door
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 7 August 2015 17:06 (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'd agree with this - I have heard Presence and ITTOD and would put them both at the bottom.
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 10 August 2015 11:33 (eight years ago) link
Although really it's a case of three groupings - the first three are classic, the next three are great and the bottom two just good.
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 10 August 2015 11:34 (eight years ago) link
I tried listening to HOTH for the first time the other day and was trying to enjoy it but really I was just waiting for No Quarter to come on. That's the problem with discovering a band through a best-of compilation, the individual albums get dissipated, as in there are always 2-3 songs you know really well spread out between songs you've never heard. Also makes the chronology and the stylistic shifts therein sound less obvious.
― 9 days from now a.k.a next weekend. (dog latin), Monday, 10 August 2015 11:52 (eight years ago) link
I know exactly what you mean although Zep weren't like that for me - before I started working my way through the albums I knew maybe five of their songs, so it was interesting to find out which were the favourites/radio hits off each record coming at them that way.
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 10 August 2015 12:24 (eight years ago) link
I > II > IV > Houses > III > In Through the Out Door > Presence > PG > Coda
― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 10 August 2015 12:46 (eight years ago) link
I first learned Zep through the Remasters comps of 1990 or so, and so exploring the parent albums (which I nabbed off my dad's girlfriend - still have her copies of I, HOTH, PG and TSRTS) was like rehydrating astronaut food.
― Credit: howtokeepapositiveattitudedotcom (stevie), Monday, 10 August 2015 13:25 (eight years ago) link
Physical GraffitiIn Through the Out DoorIIIHouses of the HolyPresence IVIICodaI
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 10 August 2015 14:23 (eight years ago) link
xp that's exactly my experience with now trying to listen to the individual records. I listened to Remasters SO MUCH as a sixth-former, but never the albums.
― 9 days from now a.k.a next weekend. (dog latin), Monday, 10 August 2015 14:25 (eight years ago) link
I'm trying to understand the perspective of those among you who rate ITTOD so highly. I've listened to all of the albums dozens of times, but I'm certain that I've listened to IV through PG >100 times and never ever get tired of them, whereas getting through ITTOD is sometimes a chore. I'll grant you that it starts very strong, but it's a pretty limp noodle overall in comparison to their catalogue as a whole.
― Those Jorts Are Upsetting (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 August 2015 14:35 (eight years ago) link
I put ITTOD on for my walk to work this morning and enjoyed it but some of the songs really do outstay their welcome, In the Evening especially.
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 10 August 2015 15:09 (eight years ago) link
Yeah that's one of the most draggy Zep songs, sad not in an expressive way but in a not-feeling-this-anymore way. It does have that neat effect on the intro to the guitar solo though.
― five six and (man alive), Monday, 10 August 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link
xpost:
I listened to it today and I don't plan on listening to it again. Ever.
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Monday, 10 August 2015 16:04 (eight years ago) link
If ITTOD was on fire, I'd rush in and save 'South Bound Suarez' and console myself with the loss of the rest.
― Those Jorts Are Upsetting (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 August 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link
ITtOD is their only bad studio album imo. I'd rather listen to solo Plant.
xp "All of My Love" is my keeper.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 10 August 2015 16:09 (eight years ago) link
If In Through The Out Door was on fire, I'd be out the fire exit and be all like "see ya!"
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Monday, 10 August 2015 16:16 (eight years ago) link
oh cool no one can agree on which children, er, tracks, to save
And no one's mentioned goddamn "Fool in the Rain."
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 August 2015 16:19 (eight years ago) link
^I'd save the drum track and pour gasoline on the rest.
― five six and (man alive), Monday, 10 August 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
love In The Evening and All of my Love and Carouselambra, but sort of feel like saying "The John Bonham drum out-takes bootleg is better than the actual album" is only partly challops
― Credit: howtokeepapositiveattitudedotcom (stevie), Monday, 10 August 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
The thing is...ITTOD would probably be a fine album for a different band. It's just lackluster as a Led Zeppelin album. By that measure, 'Fool In The Rain' is perfectly pleasant, but not really what I'm looking for when I turn to the Zep.
― Those Jorts Are Upsetting (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 August 2015 16:22 (eight years ago) link
Check the date on this...1000 Led Zeppelin fans soon to be majorly bummed out:http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1980/09/25/page/55/article/ad-for-led-zeppelin-lures-1-000
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 10 August 2015 16:26 (eight years ago) link
man
― balls, Monday, 10 August 2015 16:37 (eight years ago) link
Wow. I complain about paying ticket fees, and there were people flying in from Denver just to get the order form for the tickets!!
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 10 August 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link
So based on this drum cover (which seems insanely accurate), there's more kick going on than I thought, however none in the "One" parthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryxZFqWKQdo
― five six and (man alive), Monday, 10 August 2015 19:28 (eight years ago) link
What do you mean by the "One" part?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 10 August 2015 20:59 (eight years ago) link
Okay, just watched.... Maybe the 5/4 part for the guitar solos? Not the first time nor the second, but the third/fourth times he accents the first 4 of the 5/4 on the bass drum (while doing metronomic modulation of the eighth notes to triplets... pretty amazing composition).
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 10 August 2015 21:10 (eight years ago) link
It's always been a pleasure for me to listen to Bonham's drumming on 'Achilles' - there's a couple of moments in there, especially one particular drum fill, which make me go "fucking hell!" even after listening to it countless times. It's a very exciting track, particularly the rhythm section. The opposite for me would be something like 'Kashmir' - I can completely understand why Bonham is holding the groove down and keeping it simple, but in terms of drum work I find it on the duller end of what Bonham was able to pull off.
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Monday, 10 August 2015 21:13 (eight years ago) link
(xpost) ^^see 6m43s & 8m20s
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 10 August 2015 21:13 (eight years ago) link
The 2m13s fill is the one that always kills me.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 10 August 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link
2:26 is the one that gets me, but that one too
― five six and (man alive), Monday, 10 August 2015 21:40 (eight years ago) link
I can't believe I'm considering buying the reissues...anyone here batted for the cycle (vinyl, cd, box set, and reissues)?
― Iago Galdston, Monday, 10 August 2015 23:43 (eight years ago) link
fp'd everyone who bothered ranking coda
killfiled ez snappin for ranking it ahead of something else
― mookieproof, Monday, 10 August 2015 23:54 (eight years ago) link
I'd like to know whether or not the HotH reissue is 'ok' now ... My buddy's copy had some weird clipping on crunge & ocean...
― BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 00:30 (eight years ago) link
― Iago Galdston, Monday, August 10, 2015 6:43 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Kinda thinkin' the same thing. I'd totally missed that any reissued had been issued until the sudden rash of LZ thread revives. I only actually own cassette copies of all the albums. I've hardly ever gone in for the "deluxe two-disc remaster with unreleased demos and alternate tracks!" thing but I think I could make an exception in this case.
― Those Jorts Are Upsetting (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 01:43 (eight years ago) link
― BlackIronPrison, Monday, August 10, 2015 8:30 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
There's a 32-page thread on the Steve Hoffman forums that may answer that:http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/distortion-on-led-zeppelin-houses-of-the-holy-vinyl-remaster.389892/
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 03:10 (eight years ago) link
would have voted HotH
― akm, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 05:26 (eight years ago) link
old lunch, the remasters on the reissues i've got thus far sound ace, better than previous CDs. the bonus tracks are mostly zzzz though and definitely feel like a ripoff (though great to hear the India tracks finally in good Fi on the Coda reissue)
― Credit: howtokeepapositiveattitudedotcom (stevie), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 07:52 (eight years ago) link
The live show paired w/I SMOKES.
― Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 07:56 (eight years ago) link
I've said this before, but I really like how they've structured the tiers of this reissue series. Just want the album? You're covered at lower than before price. Want the extras? There's two/three-disc editions that are cheaper than you'd think they'd be. Want to go all out? There's a box with everything on CD and Vinyl plus a big book and related bric-a-brac if you're into that kind of thing, but luckily for those that aren't no annoyingly exclusive audio content (Dylan, Stones, Floyd--I'm looking scornfully in your direction!).
― Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 08:07 (eight years ago) link
luckily for those that aren't no annoyingly exclusive audio content
true. bummed though i am that the extras (beyond the aforementioned live set) aren't stellar, i think the tiering of the formats is really good and NOT ripoff-minded.
― Credit: howtokeepapositiveattitudedotcom (stevie), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 10:46 (eight years ago) link
Interesting; of the latest batch of reissues, ITTOD is the one that went Top 10 in the US (#9).
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 12:48 (eight years ago) link
I got really lucky and found all of the deluxe 2/3 CDs in a Target priced at $9.99 each last time I was in the States (I wasn't sure if that was an accident or a nice bargain) but I still need the last three!
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 13:29 (eight years ago) link