― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 31 August 2003 16:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
What Justyn said is pretty OTM (Smells Like Teen Spirit totally changed my life too), though my problem with Nirvana isn't so much that they sound forlorn, but that if I start to think about their hype and myth the songs can sound very stick-in-the-mud. Granted, most of their Seattle peers and the modern day plodders sound stick-in-the-mud even without thinking about their aesthetic. And the songs that are coming to mind here at work I'm really enjoying.
It's funny how half of Nirvana's hype and actions was GREAT, EARNED and affected lots of people and how the other half is so reprehensible that it's thoroughly tempting to ignore the good stuff. Though Nirvana is easily more important and better, sometimes I think I prefer obvious imitators Local H, whose angst and energy is much more coherent and truly anthemic (since they don't talk in code, Local H doesn't depend on hype, nostalgia and zeitgeist to connect). The two singles the Vines put out remind of what first grabbed me about Nirvana too: Beatles getting electrocuted.
I hate so much about what they represent, but when I think about songs like "Negative Creep," "Aneurysm," "Sliver"...there's just no question they're classic.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 31 August 2003 16:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 31 August 2003 16:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 31 August 2003 16:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 31 August 2003 16:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― christoff (christoff), Friday, 5 September 2003 12:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Laura L, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 08:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― lukey (Lukey G), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 08:55 (nineteen years ago) link
In an alternate universe somewhere, Bob Mould actually took the production job for Nevermind and popular music history went an entirely different way...
― Edward Bax, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link
OTM.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link
No, you go fuck YOURself, moppett!
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nowell, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link
Fuck Teh Hatas, anti-Nirvanaism is for wankers.
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nowell, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― dysøn (dyson), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link
OTM = ON THE MONEY, ON THE MARK, etc.
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nowell, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jackson, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jackson, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link
*stomps out door to smoke cigarette*
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jackson, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link
Well, considering Killing Joke were making amazing, influential music when Kurt was only twelve years old, I'd say they're already in the fuckin' canon.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link
The anti-(mainstream) canon thing I'm referring to is a stupid, conformist herd-like mentality thing and it needs to stop at some point in the near future. It's a ridiculously pretentious conceit dreamed up by so-called hipsters that makes no sense. Replacing mainstream touchstones with cult "hipster" touchstones is absolutely meaningless. It goes a little something like this:
THE BEATLES? FUCK THAT SHIT! THE VELVET UNDERGROUND!LED ZEPPELIN? FUCK THAT SHIT! THE STOOGES!NIRVANA? FUCK THAT SHIT! MUDHONEY!and so on...sorry if I'm getting a little lazy with "cult" examples but you get the idea.
You can like all of the above mentioned bands, you know. I do. It's not against the law, they're not gonna revoke your fucking Wire subscription or anything. It doesn't prove anything to anybody with a mind of their own.
(Sorry, I don't usually pontificate like this, but that shit just ticks me off.)
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 30 September 2004 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 30 September 2004 00:19 (nineteen years ago) link
Well, I think the problem with this equation is context. The Velvet Underground came from totally different place/environment/perspective than the Beatles. Likewise, the Stooges came from a different place/headspace/mentality than Led Zeppelelin.
Mudhoney and Nirvana, meanwhile, were so damn similar they actually shared members. Nirvana were not a reaction against Mudhoney (in the way that the Velvets were a reacion against flower power or that the Sex Pistols were a reaction against Pink Floyd, etc.)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 30 September 2004 00:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 30 September 2004 00:27 (nineteen years ago) link
They define the sound of Grunge.
....I'd say: POPPYCOCK! Soundgarden and the Melvins defined the sound of Grunge.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 30 September 2004 00:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 30 September 2004 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link
Forks, consider it done. I'll get on it as soon as I have time and post the result.
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 30 September 2004 00:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 30 September 2004 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 30 September 2004 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 30 September 2004 00:40 (nineteen years ago) link
I, like a lot of other curious youngsters at the time, purchased a copy of Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge shortly after getting into Nevermind.It is not a comparable record in any way - songwriting, accessibility whathaveyou.If Mudhoney were the ones on DGC at the time receiving the label push and Nirvana were still on Sub Pop, Nevermind wouldn't have been as big as it was obviously, but there's no way in hell EGBDF would have gotten as big as Nevermind in reality did. That kind of nonsense thinking is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 30 September 2004 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 30 September 2004 00:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 30 September 2004 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link
What I'm getting at is that this "If circumstances were different, if THIS (beloved cult band) band had the big push that THIS (huge mainstream juggernaut band) things shoulda coulda woulda".....stuff is BUNK. That didn't happen, get over it. Nirvana were the ones that got huge, period. This is magic fairytale thinking stuff (god, I sound like LeBrainBoy).Anyways, trying to justify the success or non-success of a band like this is pointless.What happened happened. End of story. It does not change the content of these records.Thriller, for example, is not more or less better a record than the day it was finished for selling 26 million copies or 50,000.
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 30 September 2004 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 30 September 2004 01:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 30 September 2004 01:14 (nineteen years ago) link
Nirvana only left us with a paltry THREE studio albums. Regardless of the merit of the music, there's simply no way to compare them with the Beatles. Did Nirvana make a big impact? Sure, but just not on the scale as the Beatles. And I'm not even that much of a Beatle fan. Media perceptions, it should also be remembered, have changed. Today's media operate in a totally different manner than the media of the mid-to-late 60's. It's simply a different world.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 30 September 2004 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 30 September 2004 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 30 September 2004 01:24 (nineteen years ago) link