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Second Fret getting a legit release! That's a nice bonus.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 14:10 (eight years ago) link

Jesus they should just stop already.

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 14:14 (eight years ago) link

But wait 'til you hear what's in store for the six-disc edition of Squeeze !

Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 14:19 (eight years ago) link

Disc Two: Loaded Remastered:
Promotional Mono Version

1. "Who Loves The Sun"
2. "Sweet Jane" - Full Length Version
3. "Rock & Roll" - Full Length Version

whoa! What "Promotional Mono"? That had the "Full Length" versions? I don't think so.

I know "Who loves the sun" and "Oh Sweet Nuthin" came out in mono on the single (I have one), but .. Pictures! Or, it never happened.

Mark G, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 14:27 (eight years ago) link

ha, it does really annoy me that the *actual* version of sweet jane (you know, the one that was on the record for 25+ years) is not even included. as i think i've bellyached elsewhere, the heavenly wine & roses bridge is great as part of the song, but they really blow it on the "full length version" -- drumming is terrible, backing vocals are screwy etc. maybe this fake mono version will improve it but i'm not holding my breath.

tylerw, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 14:44 (eight years ago) link

OTM, and please tell me the original album version of "New Age" is on one of those 6 CDs.

Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:06 (eight years ago) link

Curious if the "Rock and Roll" and "Ocean" "demos" on disc 3 are the VU/Another View recordings.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:22 (eight years ago) link

probably from the fully loaded set

tylerw, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link

Oh, right...I don't listen to that second disc too much.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:28 (eight years ago) link

ha, it does really annoy me that the *actual* version of sweet jane (you know, the one that was on the record for 25+ years) is not even included. as i think i've bellyached elsewhere, the heavenly wine & roses bridge is great as part of the song, but they really blow it on the "full length version" -- drumming is terrible, backing vocals are screwy etc. maybe this fake mono version will improve it but i'm not holding my breath.

― tylerw, Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:44 AM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

iirc, Reed complained about the edit, saying it ruined the song...which, of course, didn't prevent him from only playing that version of it live for several decades.

I don't mind the restored edit myself (ha, and I actually like the drumming!), but what's jarring is the mix. It sounds like when the edit was restored, it was newly-mixed from the multitracks and then shoehorned into the original 2-track mixdown.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:30 (eight years ago) link

Sounds like a runthrough to me, guide vocals and all, either the original edited section was lost or else it was edited prior to vocals and overdubs being added, in other words Lou was in on it?

Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:35 (eight years ago) link

whoa, I don't know my VU lore here, is the version on Peel Slowly the "bad" full length version? I never heard Loaded before getting the box when it came out so I don't know the other, original version; maybe I'll like another version more?

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:36 (eight years ago) link

didn't prevent him from only playing that version of it live for several decades.

He was playing the full length version with the Tots in 1972.

Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:37 (eight years ago) link

yeah i think that was the last time he did it til the VU reunion in 93... did he keep playing it live like that afterwards though? i can't remember now...

tylerw, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link

guess he didn't make metallica learn it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JucJAuDKqKw

tylerw, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:45 (eight years ago) link

whoa, I don't know my VU lore here, is the version on Peel Slowly the "bad" full length version?

No, the first time was on the "Fully Loaded" edition.

I assume that Lou would have been involved with this new box, initially at least. Being how they fixed that version of "I can't stand it" from the "eighties mix" to the "what it would have been like if they'd mixed it in the sixties" mix on the last box, um, yeah optimism.

Mark G, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:51 (eight years ago) link

this looks really pointless

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:52 (eight years ago) link

xp no it was on peel slowly and see first

tylerw, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:53 (eight years ago) link

"I Stand Corrected: F it is!"

Um, yeah the full length tracks for Sweet Jane and New Age were on Peel Slowly and See.

Mark G, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:56 (eight years ago) link

Funny, everywhere seems to talk about the re-instated long version of "Rock and Roll" but I can't find any version that isn't 4:45 ono.

Mark G, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 16:01 (eight years ago) link

There was an even longer (Full-er Length?) "New Age" on the 2nd disc of Fully Loaded.

Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 19:34 (eight years ago) link

xp yeah, i'm not sure what they're talking about re: rock and roll ... there's a longer guitar break in one of the fully loaded version i think?
longer new age never seemed all that monumental to me.
dunno, still seems crazy to me that in six discs, there's not one version of the album in its original form.

tylerw, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 19:40 (eight years ago) link

_Loaded: Special Edition_, with new edits from Lucasfilm.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link

ha yeah... over on twitter someone said: "it's like finding out "Like a Rolling Stone" had an extra verse and adding it to all future versions of Highway 61"

tylerw, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 19:56 (eight years ago) link

dunno, still seems crazy to me that in six discs, there's not one version of the album in its original form.

Presumably, they're saving this for the inevitably forthcoming ORIGINAL ALBUMS boxed set.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 20:01 (eight years ago) link

UnLoaded edition

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 20:04 (eight years ago) link

followed by the ReLoaded edition, with all instrumental backing tracks replaced with Metallica

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 20:05 (eight years ago) link

as lou always intended

tylerw, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 20:08 (eight years ago) link

special edition includes hologram of Mo Tucker doing the Ostrich

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 20:09 (eight years ago) link

Just noticed that this new version of Max's loses two tracks ("Who Loves The Sun?" & "Sweet Jane"--both from the second set) from the deluxe edition.

Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link

yeah, pretty lame... but we gotta have both versions of lonesome cowboy bill!
They could've done away w/ the surround sound disc (which is not something i'm set up for) and included the full Max's tape + rehearsals + the Freeman tape on a sixth disc.

tylerw, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 20:23 (eight years ago) link

followed by the ReLoaded edition, with all instrumental backing tracks replaced with Metallica

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 20:05 (57 minutes ago) Permalink

Just wait until you hear Hetfield's vocals on "New Age"!

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 21:05 (eight years ago) link

Hey, remember when the self-titled/3rd box came out, and we were all, "Pfft, only part of the Matrix recordings?! They'll probably release a Matrix box a year later so we have to re-buy that shit."

Welp,
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014WIZP96?ref_=sr_1_3&s=music&qid=1441415763&sr=1-3&tag=viglink20252-20&pldnSite=1

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 5 September 2015 23:00 (eight years ago) link

Whoa weird. Thought they would want to space that stuff out but I guess not.

tylerw, Saturday, 5 September 2015 23:23 (eight years ago) link

some days this is my favorite Velvets album, and they're definitely one of my all time favorite bands, but I still won't be buying this. It could just be reissue / boxset burnout, but this tracklist looks very meh to me. I do sorta wanna hear the mono versions (would these be 'fold down' style, then?) and the demos, I guess.

Wimmels, Sunday, 6 September 2015 01:57 (eight years ago) link

I'm happy if that Matrix box turns out to be real.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 6 September 2015 02:51 (eight years ago) link

I do sorta wanna hear the mono versions (would these be 'fold down' style, then?)

It'd probably have to be--no way would Atlantic have been spending money on a proper mono mix when the format was for all intents and purposes dead for an act like the VU.

Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 6 September 2015 04:19 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

Anyone get this yet? The price is sorta reasonable, but I already have the original album and Live at Max's, and I have no earthly use for 5.1 DVD surround sound or whatever the hell it is. But the demo disc and mono disc have me considering it. I bet the booklet is cool, too...

Wimmels, Sunday, 1 November 2015 15:00 (eight years ago) link

Thought revive would be about new Lou bio.

You're a Big URL Now (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 1 November 2015 15:08 (eight years ago) link

This Max's remaster sounds WAY better than the previous one

StanM, Monday, 2 November 2015 07:12 (eight years ago) link

seven months pass...

I just had a little moment when "Pale Blue Eyes" from the Max's set popped up on shuffle. The first half Lou sings in what I consider his "Velvets" voice, a little high, maybe a tiny bit strained, but still "singing". The second half is in his solo voice, more declamatory, a little behind the beat, a little clipped and sarcastic. I am sure he does it in other sports, just this particular instance really stood out to me.

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 27 June 2016 20:15 (seven years ago) link

The Max's set was also probably the first VU record I ever owned, cuz I always deferred to live records when I was a teenager cuz my budget was limited and live records usually provided value, plus I was such a Who nut that I was convinced that every band's live record was like "Live at Leeds", really raw, awesome vers of songs that were slicked up in the studio.

But so, I never really loved this record and I am sure for 6 months or so I was all "the Velvet Underground? Talk about to overrated!" to anyone who would listen but I've always been fascinated by it. The shoddy recording, the shoddy playing...it is such an amazing document of people not giving a shit about a band who in just a few yrs seemingly everyone would be obsessed with.

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 27 June 2016 20:53 (seven years ago) link

yeah i find max's pretty charming these days, though it's far from the incredible heights of Live 1969/Matrix Tapes. and yeah, as a kid, both max's and live 1969 really made me re-think how a great (the greatest?) band (or any artist) could be totally overlooked in their time.

tylerw, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 17:31 (seven years ago) link

& yeah, it's interesting how different lou's vocalizing is on the Max's tape than anywhere else -- more emotive, maybe a bit more generic, but still pretty great.

tylerw, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 17:42 (seven years ago) link

three months pass...

Always wondered why Lou spells love with a 'w' in "Cool it Down." Is it supposed to be a reference to radio station call letters? That's the only explanation I can come up with. Anybody?

Wimmels, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 21:59 (seven years ago) link

Ditto. I think that's the best explanation too.

(SNIFFING AND INDISTINCT SOBBING) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 22:05 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

that moment toward the beginning of "rock & roll" when THE SONG GETS LOUDER ON ITS OWN

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 02:14 (five years ago) link

xpost - isn't it "double your L-O-V-E"? Lou's saying that there's this prostitute who's working hard enough to make him have two orgasms in an hour.

everything, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 03:56 (five years ago) link

wow that makes a lot more sense than WLOVE

line's always puzzled me

niels, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 08:29 (five years ago) link

four years pass...

THE VELVET UNDERGROUND

LOADED (FULLY RE-LOADED EDITION)
The Acclaimed Reissue Of VU’s 1970 Classic Arrives On Vinyl

For The First Time As A Limited-Edition Of 1,970 Copies
Featuring 9 180-Gram LPs And 4 7-Inch Singles
Stereo, Mono, And “Full-Length” Mixes Of The Original Album Are Featured Along With Demos, Studio Outtakes, And Live Recordings,

With Dozens Of Tracks Making Their Vinyl Debut

Lou Reed sang about the lifesaving powers of “Rock & Roll” on Loaded, his fourth and final studio album with The Velvet Underground. Since it arrived in November 1970, generations have been shaking to the album’s “fine, fine music,” experiencing their own kinds of musical salvation thanks to songs like “Sweet Jane,” “Head Held High,” and “Oh! Sweet Nuthin’.”

Dig! spotlights Loaded with a new vinyl boxed set that includes nearly all the music from its expansive 2015 CD reissue, Loaded: Re-Loaded 45th Anniversary Edition. The forthcoming collection, LOADED (FULLY RE-LOADED EDITION), features nine LPs with stereo, mono, and “Full-Length” mixes of the original album along with a generous selection of demos, studio outtakes, and live recordings. Several tracks from the set will be available on vinyl for the first time.

LOADED (FULLY RE-LOADED EDITION) is limited to 1,970 numbered copies and will be available on 24th March 2023. The set is available exclusively on Dig! for £250 and comes in a deluxe, foil-wrapped slipcase containing the vinyl, a poster of the album’s cover art, and an illustrated booklet with liner notes by Lenny Kaye that appeared in Loaded: Re-Loaded 45th Anniversary Edition.

In addition to the nine LPs, the set also comes with four 7-inches that reproduce the official singles and B-sides released from Loaded. “Rock & Roll” and “Who Loves The Sun” both come in the generic record sleeves used at the time by Cotillion, the band’s label. The former is being reissued for the first time ever, as the original release was cancelled in 1970, while the latter is being reissued for the first time since 1970. The other two singles come in picture sleeves originally released in Europe: “Head Held High” in France and “Sweet Jane” in Germany.

LOADED (FULLY RE-LOADED EDITION) opens with three different versions of the original studio album: remastered stereo and mono mixes, plus a “Full-Length” version that boasts extended takes of “Sweet Jane,” “Rock & Roll” and “New Age.”

More than two dozen recordings from the making of Loaded appear on vinyl for the first time in the new collection. The music explores the creative process behind the album with early versions of “Oh! Sweet Nuthin’” and “Lonesome Cowboy Bill” and alternate mixes for “Rock & Roll” and “Train ’round The Bend.” Songs that would eventually appear on Reed’s 1972 solo debut make appearances as well, with early versions of “Ocean,” “I Love You,” and “Ride Into The Sun.”

Those studio recordings are bolstered by a selection of live performances recorded before Loaded debuted in November 1970. A few weeks into making the album, on May 9, 1970, the band played at the Second Fret in Philadelphia. Bob Kachnycz, a fan, hitchhiked to the show and recorded the show on reel-to-reel. The band was down to a trio that night: Reed, Sterling Morrison, and Doug Yule, who alternated between bass and drums to fill in for Moe Tucker, who was pregnant then. This show, available for the first time on vinyl, uncovers early performances of several songs destined for the album: “Cool It Down,” “Rock & Roll,” and “New Age.”

The second performance was recorded in New York City at Max’s Kansas City nightclub on August 23, 1970, the day Reed left The Velvet Underground. Several songs from the show were released in 1972 as the live album, Live At Max’s Kansas City. In 2004, Rhino released a remastered version of the live album that was expanded to include both sets the band played that night. Featured on two LPs in the new collection, the recordings touch on all the band’s past albums with live versions of “I’m Waiting For The Man,” “White Light/White Heat,” “Pale Blue Eyes,” and “Sweet Jane.”

LOADED (FULLY RE-LOADED EDITION)

Track Listing

Loaded: Original Album (Remastered)

Side One

“Who Loves The Sun”

“Sweet Jane”

“Rock & Roll”

“Cool It Down”

“New Age”

Side Two

“Head Held High”

“Lonesome Cowboy Bill”

“I Found A Reason”

“Train ’round The Bend”

“Oh! Sweet Nuthin’”

Loaded: Promotional Mono Version (Remastered)

Side One

“Who Loves The Sun”

“Sweet Jane”

“Rock & Roll”

“Cool It Down”

“New Age”

Side Two

“Head Held High”

“Lonesome Cowboy Bill”

“I Found A Reason”

“Train ’round The Bend”

“Oh! Sweet Nuthin’”

Loaded: “Full-Length” Version (Remastered)

Side One

“Who Loves The Sun”

“Sweet Jane” – Full-Length Version *

“Rock & Roll” – Full-Length Version *

“Cool It Down”

“New Age” – Full-Length Version *

Side Two

“Head Held High”

“Lonesome Cowboy Bill”

“I Found A Reason”

“Train ’round The Bend”

“Oh! Sweet Nuthin’”

Loaded – “Fully Loaded” Version (Remastered)

Side One

“Ride Into The Sun” – Session Outtake *

“Ocean” – Session Outtake *

“I Love You” – Session Outtake *

“I’m Sticking With You” – Session Outtake *

“Rock & Roll” – Demo *

“Sad Song” – Demo *

Side Two

“I Found A Reason” – Demo *

“Satellite Of Love” – Demo *

“Oh Gin” – Demo *

“Walk And Talk” – Demo *

“Ocean” – Demo *

“I Love You” – Demo *

“Love Makes You Feel Ten Feet Tall” – Demo *

Side Three

“Cool It Down” – Early Version *

“Sweet Jane” – Early Version *

“Lonesome Cowboy Bill” – Early Version *

“Head Held High” – Early Version *

“Oh! Sweet Nuthin’” – Early Version *

“Who Loves The Sun” – Alternate Mix *

Side Four

“Sweet Jane” – Alternate Mix *

“Lonesome Cowboy Bill” – Alternate Mix *

“Train ’round The Bend” – Alternate Mix *

“Cool It Down” – Alternate Mix *

“Head Held High” – Alternate Mix *

“Rock & Roll” – Alternate Mix *

Live At Max’s Kansas City: Expanded Version (Remastered)

Side One

“I’m Waiting For The Man”

“White Light/White Heat”

“I’m Set Free”

“Sweet Jane”

Side Two

“Lonesome Cowboy Bill”

“New Age”

“Beginning To See The Light”

“I’ll Be Your Mirror”

Side Three

“Pale Blue Eyes”

“Candy Says”

“Sunday Morning”

“After Hours”

Side Four

“Femme Fatale”

“Some Kinda Love”

“Lonesome Cowboy Bill” – Version Two

Live At Second Fret, Philadelphia (1970)

Side One

“I’m Waiting For The Man” *

“What Goes On” *

“Cool It Down” *

Side Two

“Sweet Jane” *

“Rock & Roll” *

“Some Kinda Love” *

Side Three

“New Age” *

“Candy Says” *

“Head Held High” *

Side Four

“Train ’round The Bend” *

“Oh! Sweet Nuthin’” *

7” Singles

“Head Held High” b/w “Train ’round The Bend” – French Picture Sleeve

“Rock & Roll” b/w “Lonesome Cowboy Bill” – Cotillion Sleeve

“Sweet Jane” b/w “Rock & Roll” – German Picture Sleeve

“Who Loves The Sun” b/w “Oh! Sweet Nuthin’” – Cotillion Sleeve

* vinyl debut

lord of the rongs (anagram), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 15:40 (one year ago) link


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