nm about Arch Enemy btw, I confused them with a different band, they would certainly be allowed.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link
why would arch enemy not be allowed? you thinking of something else like nightwish?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link
hah ok
thank you imago, those are good noms. Not sure on Devin Townsend tho...
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
right, but it's a very blurry line to separate extreme metal from regular old school heavy metal, esp right around the time of Motorhead and Venom. IMO, what really turned heavy metal into extreme metal was the influence of punk, and Motorhead is front and center in that transition. Mind you, I'm not saying they are a "metal" band in the same way Metallica or Slayer is -- but then, neither is Venom, really. Both bands just had a huge hand in creating a world where Metallica and Slayer would make sense, bringing metal out of the Black Sabbath/Rainbow/Deep Purple world.
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― Dominique, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
That's the only Devin Townsend album (other than SYL) I'd consider 'extreme' but you have to trust me here - it is xp
― twunty fifteen (imago), Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
I'm listening to that specific album now and ok I agree.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
Yeah Deconstruction is definitely several shades into the red from the Devin stuff I mentioned earlier.
Also now that those two DHG albums are being brought up I have to add
Dodheimsgard - Kronet til KongeDodheimsgard - Monumental Possession
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link
Sorry, that Dälek album is pretty noisey, but IMO its not very metal. I don't think its going on the list...But this is tough... I dunno. I guess I'll let it slide, it is like weird industrial rap with distorted guitars so... ok.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:16 (nine years ago) link
2edgy4me
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:17 (nine years ago) link
which melvins albums count is the tricky one for me
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:18 (nine years ago) link
and what about bands like Helmet? not really hardcore not trad metal too noise rock?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:19 (nine years ago) link
or Prong?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:20 (nine years ago) link
How about stuff like Naked City, which is a little bit of everything but certainly informs stuff like, say, Dillinger Escape Plan.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:22 (nine years ago) link
But I think I'm going to veto NWOBHM & 70s heavy hard rock, I gotta draw the line somewhere.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:22 (nine years ago) link
And like I said, I'll side on adding boderline stuff. Stuff such as Helmet and Prong, which are really more hard-driving hard rock I don't think counts, unless there's specific albums of theirs that are very metally. Standard stoner rock stuff is out though.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:25 (nine years ago) link
some Prong stuff was quite thrashy others more industrial metal which you said was allowed
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:26 (nine years ago) link
if its like extreme pastiche with bits of metal and other stuff I think it counts (like say, certain Mike Patton stuff).I don't think there's any Melvins album that's off limits, tbh! But they have ALOT of albums so some of them might be pretty chillax? IDK.
xp sure, specific albums and such that are extreme -- nominate them.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link
I think Prong - Beg To Differ is pretty thrashy and a classic at that. SO Im nominating it.
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link
ok
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link
for those struggling to remember what to nominate this might help (just ignore the trad doom stuff obviously)
http://tinyurl.com/rymextreme
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:42 (nine years ago) link
frobisher you could let the wiki entry decide what subgenres are allowed then you can blame that if people complain :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_metal
http://i.imgur.com/ErnaKk0.png
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:49 (nine years ago) link
Not really sure you can argue with that tbh and it makes clear what counts
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 20:53 (nine years ago) link
haha ok this is a new subgenre for mehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_and_Anarchist_black_metal
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:01 (nine years ago) link
Part of a series onMarxism
― jmm, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:02 (nine years ago) link
I think you're right CS. I'll have to allow all doom. But I'd like to remind people that pagan & viking metal that's like Nightwish or Edenbridge will be allowed! Basically any power metal that doesn't have heavy breakdowns is out.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:11 (nine years ago) link
That's a pretty good list of genres to choose from, so I think I'll defer to wikipedia here.
Also, stuff that is "kinda doomy" or just stonery doesn't count IMO, I think it has to be exceptionally slow or sludgy or extreme in someother way like psychedelic droning.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link
i am ever so glad youre running the poll and not me and you have to take the decisions
Anything less heavy than Candlemass, Trouble and Saint Vitus are out yeah? (theyre the big 3 doom metal bands obviously)
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:17 (nine years ago) link
Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus MetallicusTrouble - Psalm 9Saint Vitus - Born Too Late
That's a good rubric. Let's go with that.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:18 (nine years ago) link
I'd also include Cathedral in that lineup.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:19 (nine years ago) link
iirc candlemass didnt do very well in my all time metal poll on here years ago. only 1 album and it was outside the top 100. Dont think trouble did much better. Vitus did tho
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:22 (nine years ago) link
Candlemass doesn't have the hooks and grooves of Vitus or Trouble.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:23 (nine years ago) link
I read somewhere once that 1981 was the birth of extreme metal. If that's really the case then albums before that shouldnt count?
i know venom and death ss all formed like 77/78 but they didnt have albums out til the 80s.
Also I agree with you that the nwobhm doom bands like witchfinder general or pagan altar should count (as much as I love them)
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link
1981 because Venom released a single and Metallica, Slayer and Anthrax all formed perhaps?
― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:29 (nine years ago) link
I think we should exclude 70s stuff unless there's a really good case to be made, otherwise we're opening up a whole other can of worms... what about the animals, what about krautrock, etc... this is not the poll for that stuff.
'81 is good unless someone has a pretty extreme album from before that date. I'm happy to use it as a cutoff.
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:31 (nine years ago) link
wtf epicus doomicus is a groove monster
― j., Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link
Crown, the - Hell Is HereCrown, the - Deathrace KingDefleshed - Under the BladeDefleshed - Fast Forward
SPEED FOR SATAN
― Devilock, Sunday, 27 September 2015 21:57 (nine years ago) link
got them, thanks!
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 22:01 (nine years ago) link
Ok, I finally got the list caught up, so you can now peruse it before you nominate as to avoid dupes. Thank you so much for all the nominations!!
spreadsheet:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WKuG4E8u5i4xOPvs6wq9ZPgGxkAmv1w8YEXVG9HANfI/edit?usp=sharing
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 22:10 (nine years ago) link
And for clarification, I'm going by the subgenres that wikipedia says are extreme metal:
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 22:14 (nine years ago) link
Wikiposeria
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 27 September 2015 22:48 (nine years ago) link
lol
― Frobisher, Sunday, 27 September 2015 23:37 (nine years ago) link
Yob - CatharsisAgalloch - Marrow Of The Spirit
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 01:08 (eight years ago) link
Skepticism - Lead and AetherSkepticism - FarmakonSkepticism - Alloy
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 01:29 (eight years ago) link
Reverend Bizarre - In the Rectory of the Bizarre Reverend
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 01:37 (eight years ago) link
Warning - Watching From A Distance
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 01:43 (eight years ago) link
p soon gonna need googles to wade through the smoke in order to see the thread
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Monday, 28 September 2015 01:45 (eight years ago) link
Solitude Aeturnus - Through the Darkest Hour
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 28 September 2015 02:00 (eight years ago) link