grime in 2004

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people are talking about this Risky Roadz thing coming out next month - Roll Deep, D Double, Essentials, J2K - much, much bigger than the "Lord Of" series.

broken twig, Friday, 23 July 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

i dont expect a Doogz album for a while, though he is working on one at the mo. i'd expect it to be very hip hop though.

all about the forthcoming Kano LP i think. (but i'm biased).

i interviewed DaVinChe on Weds and he didnt mention a mix CD.

can't wait for the Roll Deep LP. big!

martin (martin), Friday, 23 July 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
New garage microsite ...

http://www.steal-life.com/slideshows/164garage.html

martin (martin), Saturday, 7 August 2004 09:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Wley wants to work with Alanis and other worrying quotes. The article also mentions that Wiley has a record shop in the West End called Avalanche. Anyone heard of this? Address?

JoB (JoB), Monday, 9 August 2004 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Avalanche is in the basement of Release The Groove I think, that's what Flowdan told me.

martin (martin), Monday, 9 August 2004 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Wiley please don't start dancing.

Also I thought he came to the game with no girlfriend and he'll be leaving the game with no girlfriend.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 August 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

way! terror danjah on the radio

ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 13 August 2004 10:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i always found the basement of RTG a bit sub par, compared to uptown, fer instance. well, i guess it just seemed moe of a funky/deep house/us garage type place.

ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 13 August 2004 10:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Some odd assumptions in thisarticle...

JoB (JoB), Friday, 13 August 2004 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

what's odd in particular? it seems OTM...

martin (martin), Sunday, 15 August 2004 00:09 (nineteen years ago) link

"there's a slightly uneasy patronage of this music by the music and style press." I'd guess its patronage is because of the music's grassroots freshness and new soundingness. Nothing uneasy to me about that.

"Most Guardian readers probably appreciate the fact that under the vocals there's usually a track as musically experimental and obtuse as anything in the pages of The Wire." I'll bet most Guardian readers have never read an issue of the Wire in their lives. Also, why wouldn't grime's core audience appreciate its musical experimentality and obtuseness?

"the coverage in the style mags seems to take an almost gleeful pleasure in tales of young deprived black kids beating the shit out of each other at dances." That is very cruel. I'd like to see an example of that. Almost = not quite, so this is a very cheap criticisement.

"(Most of the staff and readers would last about three minutes at a Sidewinder rave or an Eski dance.)" I have never been able to attend, but my good fellow Matt Woebotnik had and he reported no problems at Eski Dance (realting to his person's attendage), as a white, middle-class, 30-year-old (or therabouts). I'd wager the writer is projecting his own fears here.

"It's hard to shake the feeling that grime has been seized upon so enthusiastically by the struggling music industry simply because in a climate so unimaginatively retro it's at least trying to do something different." Yeah, is that supposed to be so bad?

"But whether or not you "like" the music - it'd be interesting to know how many of the Mercury Prize's judges ever stick on a bit of Dizzee when they get home - is irrelevant." As if the only way to "like" music is sticking it on after you get home from work.

"To be honest, if you're even reading this paper, you're probably too old and too nice for grime to produce a record that says much to you." I'm sure there are plenty of broadsheet readers who can get a lot of pleasure, excitement and lots besides out of a Wiley or Dizzee record. Maybe even people reading this thread.

JoB (JoB), Sunday, 15 August 2004 09:21 (nineteen years ago) link

"To be honest, if you're even reading this paper, you're probably too old and too nice for grime to produce a record that says much to you."

This was the line in the article that really got me. If that's what he belives, why is he even writing the piece?

Jason J, Sunday, 15 August 2004 11:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anyone heard this Crazy T/DJ Vader mixtape???

adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link

i heard the shola ama tunes have been signed to majors, so dont be looking for aftershock promos

quite like d-ee and footsie 'prang man', i find it a nice balance between terra grunge goofy dinosaur roar guitar and target's polite but beguiling outdated-telecommunications utopia thing, what u think

prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 19 August 2004 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link

also in vice magazine those knobs list "d double - bare different colours remix", what's this!

prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 19 August 2004 12:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought you LIKED Vice!

adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 19 August 2004 12:57 (nineteen years ago) link

change your mind.

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

(ok i really really will never feel in the mood to defend vice to the hilt cos i have no probs with bitchy humanism but i tht the grimewatch bit ws quite annoying for thinking itself so lordly badass for hyping the cool underground and calling ppl sellouts readily etc. generally vice doesnt do that stuff at all! thats usually more blogger territory ahem)

prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

hahaha

prang man is pretty decent

for me though, everything is about the essentials and davinche. forget the rest

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 19 August 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Track ID please. Very popular track, 1 year old at most. There's multiple MC's and there's a pained growl at the end of virtually every verse... anyone?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 August 2004 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone? anyone?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 28 August 2004 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link

errrrrr...D Double?

adam. (nordicskilla), Saturday, 28 August 2004 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmm, maybe. I might have to call you and sing it.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 28 August 2004 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

the pained growl might be your stomach.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 August 2004 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link

eat eat you're nothing but skin and bones

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 August 2004 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"diplo" from "hollertronix" did a grime rundown in this month's issue of fashionable birdcage liner "fader"

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 August 2004 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link

plus bonus killa cam intervier, so zemko should be well plzed hem hem

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 August 2004 02:28 (nineteen years ago) link

did anyone watch 'rude girls' on ch. 2?

cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Kano's "Ps & Qs"! Great bassy groove courtesy of Davinche, it reminds me of "What's Your Fantasy" actually. Silverdollarcircle half-right in that it needs a slightly better chorus but it's okay enough and the rapping is totally fabulous. All I wanna know is whether the Seefeel-ish intro on Cameo's current 1xtra show is actually part of it - Cameo rewound and then it seemed to start with an entirely different groove.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow this Cameo show is solid fire!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I love the frisky, multitonal bongo/percussion rolls in so many tracks at the moment - their "funky" liquidity overlays the de rigeur rigid grime beats without cancelling them out, so the tunes occupy both camps simultaneously. See the P Jam mix of Shystie's "Women's World".

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:34 (nineteen years ago) link

bongos are also a trademark of dubstep. see Skreamz, Kode 9, Loefah and Digital Mystikz. this way you can have momentum with the snares slow - without resorting to full on noizy breakbeats...

martin (martin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Skwish Skwadz use bongos on some of their stuff

DaRinsa (DaRinsa), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

"grime 2" - worse than the first?

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

grime 2 is out and out dubstep: loefah, digital mystikz and kode 9.
not even nearly grime...

martin (martin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link

SO STOP CALLING IT GRIME

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"bongos are also a trademark of dubstep. see Skreamz, Kode 9, Loefah and Digital Mystikz. this way you can have momentum with the snares slow - without resorting to full on noizy breakbeats..."

Yeah well of course but the effect is quite different. If anything the rhythms on such grime tracks remind me more of that earlier period where dubstep was still only just emerging out of more energetic bassy 2-step tunes and you had these crazy intricate chopped beats before proper dubstep's more torpid sophistication took over - think El-B's "Serious (Zed Bias Mix)".

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

"Serious" is a masterpiece, never fully felt the Zed mix of that one myself. El-B's mix of Zed's "Time Out" is another masterclass. Damn it's taken *years* to get those woodblocks out of my head...

martin (martin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never heard the original "Serious" so I can't compare... and i lost the Zed Bias mix as well in a tragic hard drive accident two years ago. :-(

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

See the P Jam mix of Shystie's "Women's World"

Awesome, sounds like an overdriven bass guitar in there too!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link

oooooh, but that "Frontline" track doesn't sound exactly right. The rhythm is not working with the song part.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"you're messing with the New Cross slew boss"

blimp, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

alot of organic instrument sounds in this. Roll Deep's "Flying Away" sounds like there's a whole band!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I have not listened to any grime in weeks! :(

adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Check the current Cameo show adam!

"Flying Away" was great too!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Terror Danjah latest mix show

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/1xtra_aod.shtml?ukgmix

couple of interesting points. all the vocal tracks at the beginning - more evidence for grime going back towards the vocal/r&b side.

also L Man. his lyrical content, in the early part does that thing KRS One used to do, spitting random facts about slavery. nice subject matter but i never think it lyrically works, overwhelming listeners with random hystorical data...

thoughts?

( ps anyone know what the indian lick riddim that comes in at 01h:12m:40s ? )

martin (martin), Monday, 6 September 2004 11:02 (nineteen years ago) link

L Man from NAA? I thought he was white.

scg, Monday, 6 September 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

he is...

martin (martin), Monday, 6 September 2004 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link


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