"You know how people get when they're cornered? Like triangles."
― Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 November 2015 15:55 (eight years ago) link
VU trainspotting observation of the day: billy yule's drumming on the live at max's tape is hilarious
― tylerw, Friday, 6 November 2015 15:56 (eight years ago) link
Haven't listened in many years but yeah, more or less.
― Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 November 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link
It's really good on the version of Some Kinda Love though.
― Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Friday, 6 November 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link
(Better than Clem Cattini)
― Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Friday, 6 November 2015 15:59 (eight years ago) link
That's my brother Doug's brother ... ah forget it.
― Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:00 (eight years ago) link
(lol at your never ending hatred for Clem Cattini. Do you even like "Hurdy Gurdy Man"?)
― Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:01 (eight years ago) link
by "hilarious" i don't even mean "bad" really (though it's sometimes bad). he's pretty entertaining (and seems to be having a fun time).
― tylerw, Friday, 6 November 2015 16:03 (eight years ago) link
Seeing James Corden play Clem Cattini in that film about Joe Meek didn't help tbh.
― Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link
some very cheesy fills in "I'm Waiting for the Man." Not terrible though
― Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link
I still think that's Bonham on "Hurdy Gurdy Man." It's a better story that way.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:09 (eight years ago) link
I can't stand the drumming on Max's myself, it's so distracting
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 November 2015 16:12 (eight years ago) link
I like the story just as JPJ told it.(xpost)
― Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:13 (eight years ago) link
It's a tad, uh, over-enthusiastic. Don't know what they were putting in those free burgers they were feeding young Billy at Max's.(xp)
― Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link
i guess that's billy on the studio take of "oh sweet nuthin"? some good drumming there. dude was what, 17 years old?
― tylerw, Friday, 6 November 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link
Thought that was Tommy from Long Island.
― Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:19 (eight years ago) link
wiki sez it was billy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Yule) but could be wrong
― tylerw, Friday, 6 November 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
I always think it must be the other guy.
― Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link
― Οὖτις
this, I really hate it, as far as I'm concerned that album belongs in the dustbin with Squeeze. I don't think I even own a copy anymore. I can live with the Billy tracks on Loaded tho.
― sleeve, Friday, 6 November 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link
yeah Loaded is fine
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 November 2015 16:24 (eight years ago) link
i dunno i enjoy max's whenever i put it on, but yeah, it does throw into relief how utterly central to the band's sound moe tucker was
― tylerw, Friday, 6 November 2015 16:26 (eight years ago) link
Some good chat from Lou between numbers, "A tender love song, about love between man and subway...", something like that. Yeah, I haven't heard it in years either tbh.
― Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link
that long "some kinda love" is a highlight ... i dig the off the rails "white light white heat" ... and the general ambiance.
― tylerw, Friday, 6 November 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link
but yes it pales in comparison to the live 1969/quine/matrix stuff of course
(Drum track on "Hurdy Gurdy Man" is not so great actually, it's certainly no "A Day In The Life" which it kind of resembles, drumfills-wise)
― Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:36 (eight years ago) link
Never mind all that..
how do I get that "Loaded" newspaper?
― Mark G, Saturday, 7 November 2015 18:01 (eight years ago) link
The last time I listened to the Max's stuff I was in high school and it was on cassette and I was having a hard time understanding why anyone liked anything about VU post "White Light" and that record certainly didn't help.
I enjoyed it a lot more this past wknd when I was listening to it, agreed that Billy Yule's drumming is hilarious.
What struck about listening to it again and this is something I think about whenever I listen to "Loaded", the playing and esp Lou's singing, really feels unbound by any sort of expectations. There's an air to these records of "man no one is ever going to hear this, let's just bang it out and go home" which always gives this era of the band a sort of melancholy and that's even more apparent to me now of the Max's stuff.
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 9 November 2015 14:45 (eight years ago) link
yeah, i think that is a good point about Lou's vocals -- we take for granted his singing on "sweet jane" for instance, but if you really hone in on him there, it's kind of an amazing (and weird!) performance!
― tylerw, Monday, 9 November 2015 15:11 (eight years ago) link
Head Held High!
― Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Monday, 9 November 2015 15:15 (eight years ago) link
He's so un-self-conscious throwing in all those soul singer moves...it's exactly the sort of thing you do at practice to try to get the drummer to laugh not when yr in the studio trying to lay down a hit song.
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 9 November 2015 15:17 (eight years ago) link
Sadly three or four years later he could barely sing at all, judging by the bootleg I was listening to last night, doing all that shit of getting the phrasing all wrong and not bothering to sing the tune, stuff you associate with latter day Lou.
― Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Monday, 9 November 2015 15:18 (eight years ago) link
Makes one wonder if he couldn't have taken some of that discipline he allegedly put into become a Tai-Chi Master and used a little of it to practice a little vocal technique.
― Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 November 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link
something definitely changed post-VU in his vocal attack. occasionally you'll hear him get it back in the solo years, but yeah, his phrasing often seems off (which almost never happened in the VU years).
― tylerw, Monday, 9 November 2015 15:29 (eight years ago) link
it sounds like he does it on purpose though, right? like, he's above (or just bored) singing the song the way it was recorded
― brownie, Monday, 9 November 2015 15:30 (eight years ago) link
Apparently he imagined he was singing like Al Green.
― Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Monday, 9 November 2015 15:37 (eight years ago) link
Is there a vocal equivalent of body dysmorphia?
― Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Monday, 9 November 2015 15:38 (eight years ago) link
something definitely changed post-VU in his vocal attack.
Maybe that he stopped playing guitar?
― Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Monday, 9 November 2015 15:44 (eight years ago) link
Stopped playing maybe, but never stopped buying ever fancier custom high tech guitars, with bodies of plexiglass, complex carbon compounds and what not.
― Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 November 2015 15:47 (eight years ago) link
love the velvets, can only really grin and bear most solo lou. rock and roll animal is one of the worst live albums i've ever heard.
― please don't shampoo your eyes (stevie), Monday, 9 November 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link
I can hear some similarities to Chilton with Lou's slide down into IDGAF vocal performances, might have something to do with the fact that in the 70's their rock and roll dreams had mostly been crushed into dust and they just did not care anymore so they started doing all this what-the-hell tossed-off almost improv stuff
in related news, I finally got a copy of Take No prisoners yesterday at a record show
― sleeve, Monday, 9 November 2015 15:56 (eight years ago) link
rock and roll animal is one of the worst live albums i've ever heard.
genuinely curious what seems bad about this album to you.
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 9 November 2015 15:57 (eight years ago) link
rock n roll animal definitely seemed super cheesy to me when i first heard it, but i've grown to love its oversized glamminess.
― tylerw, Monday, 9 November 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link
Have yet to achieve this level of enlightenment.
― Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 November 2015 16:02 (eight years ago) link
http://tuenight.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TN_lou_reed_F.jpg
― tylerw, Monday, 9 November 2015 16:03 (eight years ago) link
I've always loved it is why I asked - I love Steve Hunter, love the bombast, love how Lou's attempt to be a glam frontman kinda gets swallowed by the sound of the band. And me being me I love how the riffs get all crunchy, that is the way I like 'em.
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 9 November 2015 16:04 (eight years ago) link
It took me a long time but I've come to love R'N'R Animal
"it sounds like he does it on purpose though, right? like, he's above (or just bored) singing the song the way it was recorded
― brownie, Monday, November 9, 2015 9:30 AM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink"
W/r/t Lou's singing, he seemed obsessed with singing behind the beat, and I don't know if it's lazy exactly but he definitely seems to be wanting do something other than the recorded vers, to the point where it sometimes sounds like he's never even heard the song.
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 9 November 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link
I can hear some similarities to Chilton with Lou's slide down into IDGAF vocal performances, might have something to do with the fact that in the 70's their rock and roll dreams had mostly been crushed into dust
― Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 November 2015 16:11 (eight years ago) link
he seemed obsessed with singing behind the beat
He did this to such a degree when playing "White Light/White Heat" with Metallica that I'm pretty sure it bent the very fabric of time itself.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 9 November 2015 16:13 (eight years ago) link
I've recently been learning to tolerate or even like some of Dylan's more radical reinterpretations, wonder if I should extend the same courtesy to Lou.
― Memes of the Pwn Age (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 November 2015 16:17 (eight years ago) link
What Tyler says, except I never grew to love its glamminess. The band feels hammy and flashy, especially when tackling the velvets songs that i love. I haven't owned a copy in over a decade though, so I might feel differently today, and the friend who bought it for me swore by it as his favourite Lou of any stripe.
― please don't shampoo your eyes (stevie), Monday, 9 November 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link