-- el sabor de gene
OTM. It doesn't even SOUND like a proper live album - all the songs are performed without interruption, linked by narration or electronic squiggles, so you don't even hear the audience till the very end. And there's no 10-minute drum solos or anything. Best live LP ever? - sure, why not?
As for the Dave Brock vs. George Clinton thing, Clinton wins easily - but Space Ritual still beats P-Funk Earth Tour (a pretty great live LP itself.)
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link
Otherwise, while i like Hawkwind (the first album), it's really not indicitave of FUCKIN' HAWKWIND as we know and love them, but it's worth investigating. I think Hall Of The Mountain Grill is great though. Robert Calvert's presence is usually a good sign with most Hawkwind releases. Robert Calvert's initial solo stuff is great too.. if for anything the Gremlin songs... "EYE FOOOOOOOKUSSSED ON THE MAHG-NIFYING GLAHSSSSS THAT BRAUUUGHT THE DOWNFALL OF IKKARRRUS!!!"
― donut ferry (donut), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link
that's the drum machine and synth remake. not the best.
'silver machine' wasn't on 'space ritual' because the band couldn't stand it. it was the record label that picked it from the outtakes as a single and got lemmy to re record the vocals. i saw hawkwind about a half dozen times in the early 80's and they NEVER played 'silver machine' live.
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― donut ferry (donut), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link
dave brock or nik turner: i suppose you want us to play bloody "silver machine" again, eh?
audience: nooooooo...! play something else
hawkwind: (launches into silver machine again)
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― haitch (haitch), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― ddb (ddb), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link
http://s9.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=21ORMC42KJNX63CZ5ZDMC8ZWTJ
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― plain ol' jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link
in search of spacedoremi fasol latidoin the hall of the mountain grillwarrior on the edge of timequark, strangeness and charmastounding sounds, amazing music
bear in mind that those last two sound like a completely different band and many people don't rate 'astounding sounds...'. don't listen to them!
if you like 'quark...' and astounding sounds....'. also check pxr5 and the hawklords '25 years' which are also much maligned but much loved in my house.
anything post '79 is pretty iffy though 'leviation', 'sonic attack' and 'church of hawkwind' have their moments. after that, pretty much forget about it.
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 29 July 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ranking Rupert (Ranking Rupert), Friday, 29 July 2005 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― donut ferry (donut), Friday, 29 July 2005 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ranking Rupert (Ranking Rupert), Friday, 29 July 2005 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 29 July 2005 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link
ok, digression over.
― donut ferry (donut), Friday, 29 July 2005 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 29 July 2005 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link
(I might make an exception for a used copy of the Neu! tribute CD, if it's reaaallly cheap)
― donut ferry (donut), Friday, 29 July 2005 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link
Cobra Verde, I thin', covered that this year. Didn't make much of an impression.
― George Smith, Friday, 29 July 2005 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link
i have this dodgy looking thing but it's great live recordings, esp. "you shouldnt do that." also "silver machine" = overfuckingrated
― ghetty green (eman), Friday, 29 July 2005 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link
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― Ian John50n (orion), Saturday, 30 July 2005 02:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― ghetty green (eman), Saturday, 30 July 2005 03:24 (nineteen years ago) link
"Thou art doing well on the path of Valor. But thou art not yet an avatar."
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Saturday, 30 July 2005 03:35 (nineteen years ago) link
However, "Yessongs" -- as far as Seventies hard rock goes -- crushed "Space Ritual." The descending riff on "Starship Trooper" is what Hawkwind aspired to, but couldn't manage, because their guitarists were inept. And I like inept guitarists. And there was nothing on "Space Ritual" with impact of "Roundabout."
"Space Ritual" does exceed "Welcome Back My Friends to the Show that Never Ends" (ELP). Placing it squarely in the middle, although the first and last greatly outsold it.
― George Smith, Saturday, 30 July 2005 07:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Saturday, 30 July 2005 07:30 (nineteen years ago) link
As for me I should probably own Space Ritual but I don't. Someone needs to write a beginner's book of Hawkwind because they only have about 6 billion things to choose from. I still remember dancing in a club to a track of theirs in 1990, though. It was fantastic but of course it could be one of any of the billion songs to choose from...it's a bit overwhelming for a novice. I bet they have even more releases than The Fall.
― Hydrochloric Shaved Weirds (Bimble...), Saturday, 30 July 2005 10:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 30 July 2005 11:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Truckdrivin' Buddha (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 30 July 2005 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― p.j. (Henry), Saturday, 30 July 2005 13:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 30 July 2005 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link
Never picked up "Yesshows," so I can't contrast them. I was always satisfied with the vinyl and the Japanese remaster sounded fine to me so I've no idea how the domestic copies are.
I guess I'd better pick up a copy of the new remaster and listen to them both over the weekend. "Space Ritual" was a double, not a 3 lp, though.
Possibly I was swerved by the sleeve/poster which unfolded all over the floor. The endless medium-fried boogie of it was different, too. Ultimate in '70's live album power? "Live at Leeds", no doubt. Why and when did our hard rock bands start sucking so much compared w/the '70's?
That's a good question.
― George Smith, Saturday, 30 July 2005 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― p.j. (Henry), Saturday, 30 July 2005 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link
Indeed. And it reminds me of another similar question I posed in a recent thread: Why were only the 70s able to produce breakthru live LPs? (Performers whose first true HIT records were live: Cheap Trick, Frampton, Humble Pie, Allmans, Bob Seger, Rush, etc.)
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Saturday, 30 July 2005 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link
For the hard rockers, after playing the same songs for a year or two on the road, they sounded more electric, just MORE everything. And the bands had reputations as good live acts, which suggested the live recordings didn't have to be stepped on in the studio after the fact to get them ready for release. Anyway, Cheap Trick dudes always yakked about how little fiddling they added to "At Budokan," if you believe them.
Plus, the way to work a hard rock act was to have them do one or more albums a year, at least. So there was always a push to keep the name in the market and the act in front of concert-goers. A live album was another easy way to do that.
Now, even many the crappiest and most low budget hard or heavy acts can't can't put albums out with less than two years between releases.
― George Smith, Saturday, 30 July 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link
OK quick question ...
what's the diff between
space ritual and space ritual sundown vol 2
i have the former, bumped into the latter at a shop today and was wondering whether it was the same versions as i already have on the former or not. ..
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 15 June 2007 09:48 (seventeen years ago) link
oh i should make it clear: i have the 2cd 2001 (?) reissue of space ritual.
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 15 June 2007 09:49 (seventeen years ago) link
The original "Space Ritual" double is compiled from 2 gigs on the tour, one at Liverpool, one at Brixton. The "sundown vol 2" disc is the Brixton gig, complete and not overdubbed/mixed. It's interesting (rawer sound quality, you get the bit off the end of "Brainstorm") but not worth paying much $$ for. Be warned that this recording is available under multiple different titles.
A list of them here: http://www.starfarer.net/bringme.html
― Pashmina, Friday, 15 June 2007 10:35 (seventeen years ago) link
Basically, it's worth buying, but only if it's REALLY cheap.
― Pashmina, Friday, 15 June 2007 10:38 (seventeen years ago) link
I shelled out for the new (Dutch) reissue of <i>Space Ritual</i>. The restored "Brainstorm" kicks much ass. Bonus "Orgone Accumulator" and "Time We Left this World Today." 2 encore takes of "You Shouldn't Do That." And a fucking PAL DVD audio version with videos for "Silver Machine" and "Urban Guerilla." I have no self-control.
― Trip Maker, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 13:39 (sixteen years ago) link
It's affecting my ability to format. The booklet goes into great detail over Barney Bubbles art direction.
― Trip Maker, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 13:41 (sixteen years ago) link