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Mos Def - style/class trumps hat functionality
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― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link
I think anybody who says he (or she, for that matter) will fuck somebody of this or that race but not have a relationship with him/her is, social icon or no, a total pig. So, yes, oops: the sacred cow you raise was full of shit on this question. No: nothing wrong with having a preference; not saying that, before anybody gets they panties all knotted. Urges are urges! But "Not dated, no" (giggles)? Fuck that shit.
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link
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― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link
I haven't given this serious thought, but on the face of it any political position that gives us a license to treat large segments of the population as objects AND TAKE PRIDE IN IT BECAUSE IT PROVES HOW DOWN AND CONSCIOUS AND SOULFUL WE ARE = dud
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link
and thank god for that. If I was I would have to kill myself to atone for the horrible "Compared to What" Coke commercial atrocity.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link
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― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― markgreen, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link
When the "someone you don't intend to have a relationship with" isn't in on the joke, then yes, it is. Not saying it doesn't happen, just that we shouldn't get to pat ourselves on the back when we do it.
When all parties are singing from the same hymnal, it is what it is. Totally agree re: sex sans relationship != de facto assholery.
I have no knowledge of Common's private life or dealings, and he may well be a super up-front, stand-up guy with whom everyone always knows what they're getting.
Nah, not dated (giggles) rings a little macho/creepy to my ear.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link
-- Vestigial Appendages, Esq. (doctorduc...) (webmail), June 9th, 2005 1:09 PM. (King Kobra) (later) (link)
so you can't see why malcolm x would've said with certainty he would never date outside his race?
-- oops
I really hate when people take shit outta context.
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― bob n0pe (bobnope), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link
Having sex with someone you don't intend to have a relationship with is always treating that person like an object?
No, Dan (though I think the question as to whether casual sex relationships are emotionally healthy is at the very least one worth asking), but there's something about saying "persons of this race are not good for relationships" that gives me the creeps. Because of American racial power dynamics, it doesn't work 100% for me to try and flip the script here, but wouldn't it strike you as yucky for, say, Clay Aiken to say: "I'll sleep with black girls, I love them and they're God's children, but I wouldn't have a relationship with one." Maybe that wouldn't make you say to yourself: "That Clay Aiken is one asshole cracker bastard," but it would me.
Perhaps I'll seem less strident if I said: I personally wouldn't sleep with a person if I already knew that I would not, under any circumstances, have a relationship with a person of their particular race. I can see how a justification for doing so might not necessarily be racist ("we're obviously the same species, the parts fit and we can have fun, but culturally we'd be too different to take it any futher than that") but even then I'd find it creepy.
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link
yeah as if it's not TRANSPARENTLY OBVIOUS the "rasta" in common's first paragraph is obviously a POORLY-VEILED SUBSTITUTE FOR COMMON HIMSELF.
― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link
seriously
― justsaying, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link
he didn't say that.
so basically y'all are just jealous of the pussy common and dead prez get! (this thread is pretty contentious, so i feel the need to point out that that was a joke)
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lukas (lukas), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link
you don't think he implied that? he: 1) will sleep with white women 2) will not have relationships with them 3) thinks a dread with a white woman in relationship is a "sellout"
seems a fair enough conclusion oops unless you're hellbent on saying "nope! you have to stick to his exact words and not reach any conclusions based on them!"
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link
Considering I thought he was gay, it would strike me more as surprising than yucky, first and foremost.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link