as far as IV being the best, I totally agree...challops?
IV > Paranoid: this is kind of hard to justify, except the fact that Paranoid was the first Sabbath album I ever bought, and I liked it, but I was already v. familiar with half the songs, and the other half didn't really jump out at me, giving me a first impression of the album as suffocating and monochromatic...I mean, there's songs on it I love...Planet Caravan, Fairies Wear Boots, Paranoid, War Pigs, and even the songs that didn't really stick with me are hard to argue against, like the opening to Electric Funeral, but put it all together, and...I don't know, just seems a bit too monolithic to me I guess...
IV > Master of Reality: A bit easier, there's like four songs on this album, and only Children of the Grave (the best thing Sabbath ever did) shits on the stuff on IV from anything resembling a great height...I mean the album gets a little closer once I realized that After Forever was the earlier superior original article, and St. Vitus Dance was the rewrite, but still...I'm not exactly sure which three songs are stronger: Sweet Leaf/Children/Into the Void or Supernaut/Snowblind/Cornucopia, but it doesn't matter; without these IV is still within striking distance of a sprwaling druggy masterpiece...
― jagged-electronically mäandernden underbody (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 6 April 2009 22:50 (fifteen years ago) link
these = its three songs
― jagged-electronically mäandernden underbody (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 6 April 2009 22:51 (fifteen years ago) link
I find it strange that vol IV isnt the canon album for you guys.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 6 April 2009 23:38 (fifteen years ago) link
worth running this poll again?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 7 April 2009 13:03 (fifteen years ago) link
"I find it strange that vol IV isnt the canon album for you guys."
I don't understand this at all. It's a great album, and for me has Sabbath's best song, but if you're looking at the so called "canon", at least in the US, it's undoubtedly Paranoid. I've obviously gone on ad nauseum about how I think Master of Reality is the best. Incidentally, the guys in Sabbath themselves would vote for SBS for what it's worth.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 7 April 2009 13:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Me, I usually rely on RYM to give me some kind of indicator of an album's canonical status:
http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/black_sabbath
Paranoid leads the way in ratings, reviews and overall score. Not that that's anywhere near definitive, of course.
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 7 April 2009 15:15 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.foreverdoomed.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=9621 what DFFD votes
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 7 April 2009 18:53 (fifteen years ago) link
I've just picked up Sabotage after years of meaning to buy it, but being put off by the cover and an unsubstantiated notion that it is a sub-par Sabbath album. And it's great. The only poor song is Supertzar.
Now I need to persuade myself to get Heaven and Hell..
― Duke, Monday, 16 November 2009 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link
how dare you? supertzar's amazing, and the best song on that album...
― m the g, Monday, 16 November 2009 18:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Heaven and Hell is awesome! Might as well go ahead and pick up The Mob Rules too. I can't believe how much I've fallen for that Dio area, great stuff.
― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 16 November 2009 18:23 (fourteen years ago) link
mob rules is fuckin RUTHLESS
― mr. que, covering up the vital parts, lest he embarrass the ladi (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 16 November 2009 18:24 (fourteen years ago) link
"...and an unsubstantiated notion that it is a sub-par Sabbath album."
I've never been aware of this "notion".
Yeah, Mob Rules fucking kills, you gotta get that.
― Bill Magill, Monday, 16 November 2009 18:41 (fourteen years ago) link
i know loads of people who say Sabotage is their fave album.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 16 November 2009 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link
I've never been aware of this "notion"
That's because it was my own notion. And, as I say, unsubstantiated. I dunno, maybe it's the cover alone, maybe it's my poor memory of listening to this album at friends' places as a kid -- I just got it into my head that Sabotage was a bit of a clanger. Wrong I was.
Thanks for the Mob Rules recommendation. Will give it a listen.
― Duke, Monday, 16 November 2009 19:49 (fourteen years ago) link
I'll admit the cover of Sabotage is hilariously bad. A bone-headed idea ruined by terrible execution.
― Bill Magill, Monday, 16 November 2009 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, it's the worst from a series of truly bizarre covers.
I will get behind any of the ozzy/dio era studio albums, personally. was recently blown away by how much I liked never say die, for example.
― original bgm, Monday, 16 November 2009 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link
My eyes are always drawn to Bill Ward's red tights.
― Duke, Monday, 16 November 2009 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link
def a bold fashion choice
― original bgm, Monday, 16 November 2009 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Ozzy's kimono was also a fine example of "out of the box" thinking. And Geezer looks like he just time-traveled in from a 1982 Eddie Money video shoot.
― Bill Magill, Monday, 16 November 2009 21:59 (fourteen years ago) link
is there a thread for the remasters? the bonus discs are pretty dope
― luol deng (am0n), Monday, 16 November 2009 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Bill what do you think the worst Sabbath album is
serious question
― Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 November 2009 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Seventh Star or Forbidden. Tyr's pretty bad too.
― Bill Magill, Monday, 16 November 2009 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
How about you?
― Bill Magill, Monday, 16 November 2009 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Just listening to Vol4. Someone above bemoaned the lack of love for Wheels Of Confusion. I *adore* the beginning of the track, and I love its different parts, but to me all of these parts don't quite work as an ensemble: the song as a whole sounds poorly tacked together (to put it perhaps a little brutally). At one point I even think (probably wrongly) that the timing is off ("lost in the wheels of confusion"). The transitions between the different riffs somehow jar a little.
― Duke, Monday, 16 November 2009 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link
dunno I haven't heard 'em all! I haven't heard the stuff between Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and the Dio albums. I do dig Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules
― Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 November 2009 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link
"what do you think the worst Sabbath album is"
It's definitely Forbidden. But really there are no good ones that don't have Ozzy, Dio, or Ian Gillain singing. And the absurd awfulness of the others is never to do with the singer. It's just universally bad songwriting and production. The singers are all fine.
― Nate Carson, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 03:34 (fourteen years ago) link
the new album is so good
― Stormy Davis, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 03:46 (fourteen years ago) link
so is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUkwv5yZyhA
Yeah I am really into the new record. Favorite track at the moment is still Follow the Tears. I will assuredly spin that at my Dj gig tonight. The 3-sided LP is gorgeous.
― Nate Carson, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 04:27 (fourteen years ago) link
god, "Follow the Tears" is such a monster track ... really dig the bridge part, where Dio goes into "We'll be there for you / I believed and I can tell you it's not true" ... it sounds floaty and psychedelic dropped into the middle of this amazing doom track
― Stormy Davis, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 04:35 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ7EBF6IQn4
― Stormy Davis, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 04:36 (fourteen years ago) link
"Atom and Evil" and "Bible Black" are so good too
― Stormy Davis, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 04:38 (fourteen years ago) link
sabbath bloody sabbath title track 3:20--4:50 best 90 seconds of metal ever recorded
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 06:29 (fourteen years ago) link
" I haven't heard the stuff between Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and the Dio albums. "
Forget what you have heard and listen to this stuff because it's great.
Too bad you feel that way about Wheels of Confusion, Duke, that's one of their best songs ever. Sounds like the fucking apocolypse on that "Lost in the Wheeels...." part.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 14:17 (fourteen years ago) link
ou-ou-ou-ou, not enuff sabotage luv-uv-uv-uv in them poll results i don't think.
― t**t, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 15:13 (fourteen years ago) link
I haven't heard the stuff between Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and the Dio albums.
that includes sabotage! rectify! rectify!
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 15:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Sabotage is placed about right in that poll.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Sabotage's about three places lower than it should be, I'd say.
And so's Bloody Sabbath.
― t**t, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link
My personal poll of Ozzy era albums:
1) Master of Reality2) Vol. 43) Sabbath Bloody Sabbath4) Never Say Die (yes, really)5) Sabotage6) Black Sabbath7) Paranoid (Yes, really)8) Technical Ecstasy
feel free to print that out and toss darts at it.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 18:36 (fourteen years ago) link
mine would be:
black sabbath
sabotage
master of reality
paranoid
sabbath bloody sabbath
never say die
vol. 4
technical ecstacy
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link
The four stabs / punches of guitar on "The Wizard" as Ozzy sings "never talking, just keeps walking" are fantastic.
― Duke, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Black SabbathMaster of RealityVolume IVSabotageParanoidSabbath Bloody SabbathNever Say DieTechnical Ecstacy
But god I love them all so much.
― Nate Carson, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link
dudes, how great is this 'Never Say Die' clip ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvVwiE2U9_g
like, the band is so on fire you can hardly believe they would be on the verge of breaking up. Why break up when you can rock this hard?
(also, love Bill's neckbeard and dreads, he looks like some total refugee from No Neck Blues Band or something)
― Stormy Davis, Friday, 20 November 2009 06:12 (fourteen years ago) link
ok, maybe Ozzy was a *little* drunk .... but the performance still holds together quite nicely
― Stormy Davis, Friday, 20 November 2009 06:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Ive seen other songs from this particular show, the band is on, but Ozzy has some issues with his voice. Especially on Symptom on the Universe.
― Bill Magill, Friday, 20 November 2009 14:31 (fourteen years ago) link
IV winning seems challopsy to me in retrospect― d20 riot tard (M@tt He1ges0n),
― d20 riot tard (M@tt He1ges0n),
that comment seems challopsy
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 30 July 2010 13:54 (fourteen years ago) link
100% with you on this one, Kerr.
― demons a. real (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 30 July 2010 14:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Agreed.
― Chicago to Philadelphia: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Friday, 30 July 2010 14:49 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, may not be everybody's first choice ('tis mine), but to imply that so choosing is some kinda wilful warped contrarianism is just dopey.
― cb, Friday, 30 July 2010 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe it's just cuz my vinyl copy of IV is so scratched and thin-sounding, but voting it as the best over what came before is kinda mystifying to me
― Master of the Manly Ballad (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 30 July 2010 16:18 (fourteen years ago) link