i actually liked that Vice piece.
― Gaz Khan (sarahell), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 22:06 (eight years ago) link
i feel like they weren't even trying, instead of talking about actual 'hipster' genres they just put 'acceptable' (or some other euphemism for 'hipster') in front of the name of some super broad genre that's existed for decades.
― Shkreli, Martin & Wu (some dude), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 00:03 (eight years ago) link
it's more accurate
― Gaz Khan (sarahell), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 00:13 (eight years ago) link
it is! but in a way that undermines the point/structure of the piece
― Shkreli, Martin & Wu (some dude), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:01 (eight years ago) link
which is?
― Gaz Khan (sarahell), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:11 (eight years ago) link
ok, you got me!
― Shkreli, Martin & Wu (some dude), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:17 (eight years ago) link
http://www.independent.co.uk/student/istudents/grime-isn-t-just-music-it-s-about-working-class-struggle-and-its-new-middle-class-fans-need-to-a6777256.html
new contender here
― beatgeneration, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 13:36 (eight years ago) link
She seems to be a student and has deleted her Twitter account after getting a lot of stick online. You'd have to be under 19 to think that there's anything new in middle-class ppl getting into grime. It kind of looks like another throw-the-intern-to-the-wolves thing.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 22 December 2015 13:44 (eight years ago) link
Yeah after posting I've just gone on and read all that and realised - feel a bit bad now.
― beatgeneration, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 13:50 (eight years ago) link
fuckwit doesn't mention JME or Lady Leshurr
― roughest.contoured.silks (imago), Tuesday, 22 December 2015 13:53 (eight years ago) link
SV otm, the editorial ppl who keep waving this stuff through when they know it's bad and going to result in fullscale monstering are fucking trash and deserve to be kept awake every night with gnawing self-hatred
― a moment on the streets, a lifetime in the sheets (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 22 December 2015 15:19 (eight years ago) link
If you're not working for a small, specialist publication, can you get people to read/discuss abut music without going down the intern -> wolves route? Not saying it's right, just not all that surprising.
― Position Position, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 15:36 (eight years ago) link
hard to believe the Independent are super invested in getting ppl to read/discuss music articles tbh. if they were perhaps I would remember anything in that section they've published in idk the last few years for any reason other than it being shit
― a moment on the streets, a lifetime in the sheets (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 22 December 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link
but yeah, not surprising per se but it has no meaningful net benefits that I can figure out and I wd like more editorial types to reach this conclusion also
― a moment on the streets, a lifetime in the sheets (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 22 December 2015 15:57 (eight years ago) link
My reaction to the Indy piece was exactly that: irritation with the piece > realisation that the writer is young and unedited > anger at the editors who know that pieces like this will inspire a backlash and don't care enough about their writers to do anything about it.
― impossible raver (Re-Make/Re-Model), Tuesday, 22 December 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link
it has no meaningful net benefits that I can figure out
Clicks generated by people reading/discussing on social media and forums like this one are meaningful benefits to the publication, no?
― Position Position, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 16:37 (eight years ago) link
'net' being the operative word there. feel like I'm arguing a minority position with this one but the apparently widespread belief that 'being talked about' is all that matters w/ web content like this is fallacious and dense imo. daresay this'll be p much forgotten about in a minute but the gradual accumulation of scorn seems to outweigh the short term benefits of this pish
― a moment on the streets, a lifetime in the sheets (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 22 December 2015 17:16 (eight years ago) link
hey i'm sure the Indie wants nothing more than a slice of that sweet Buzzfeed cred
― where are the rock bands? (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 December 2015 17:18 (eight years ago) link
the gradual accumulation of scorn seems to outweigh the short term benefits
Yeah, maybe, but is that measurable in any way? Or are there many examples of sites/pubs that went too far with this shit and are now out of business?
― Position Position, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 17:24 (eight years ago) link
http://flavorwire.com/553256/stereotyping-you-by-your-favorite-album-of-2015belongs here, yea or nay?
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 December 2015 17:32 (eight years ago) link
yea
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 24 December 2015 17:34 (eight years ago) link
Genuinely surprised the Kamasi Washington album wasn't on that list. Seemed ripe for exactly that kind of cheap joke.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 24 December 2015 17:38 (eight years ago) link
lol it's ok
the neon indian one should be 2007
― probably.tasteful.forever (imago), Thursday, 24 December 2015 17:38 (eight years ago) link
oh ffs: http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/hello-from-the-same-side/
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Monday, 28 December 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link
That is one for the ages
― big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Monday, 28 December 2015 18:43 (eight years ago) link
wow.
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 December 2015 19:01 (eight years ago) link
Ooh, but it sounds so smart!
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Monday, 28 December 2015 19:02 (eight years ago) link
Here, identity is a secondary, implicit factor that affects performance, but not the primary, overt criterion for in/exclusion, so “Hello” liberalism can pass as nondiscriminatory and quintessentially liberal. However, the parallels in reception of Trump and “Hello” show that liberal “Hello” fans who overtly disidentify and disagree with Trump’s politics want to experience the same feeling of white privilege in terms more palatable to liberal tastes. This strain of “Hello” fandom is the (neo)liberal version of the same white supremacy that Trump expresses in more traditional terms.
― i got a really big steen, and they need some really big zings (some dude), Monday, 28 December 2015 19:12 (eight years ago) link
i think i just pulled something
― j., Monday, 28 December 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link
Given the general trend in pop-culture writing in 2015, I'm genuinely surprised at the universal ridicule that piece - which, make no mistake - is a mountain of rotting garbage - is getting. It's only the next point on a line other writers have been marking out all year long.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 28 December 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link
what we get is a completely standard rock beat, with nary an Amen, breakbeat, 808, or trap hi-hat anywhere in the song.
the gift that keeps giving
― big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Monday, 28 December 2015 19:14 (eight years ago) link
yeah this thing is just a perfect storm of bad writing trends, it's the season finale of Thinkpiece Island
― i got a really big steen, and they need some really big zings (some dude), Monday, 28 December 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link
xxp honestly it just read as overreaching academic hackwork to me, the kind of theory-kit quick-read that you can get on any academic's blog or in a thrown-together conference presentation. but then i read the author preening about criticism of the piece only confirming her point, which is supremely irritating. i've seen other work of hers that seemed good (with allowances for different academic / pop crit competencies) but i find it deplorable that there are actual working critics out there who could far outstrip her own 'read' on her topic yet lack the prestige of third-gen frankfurt school allusions that would help them mount bad faith defenses of bad thinking like 'u must be butthurt bc my critique implicates u'. oh so trap has funny hi-hat programming wow lotta first-rate knowledge at the forefront of culture you're flashing there no chance an actual critic could ever compare.
― j., Monday, 28 December 2015 19:24 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/XVz51n2.jpg
ah yes, what if we are the ones who are actually the...what
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 28 December 2015 19:52 (eight years ago) link
also reaching for the "trump" card is like one step away from godwin's law here -- really want to read the marshall hatford take on adele.
― big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Monday, 28 December 2015 20:12 (eight years ago) link
fuckin kylo ren there
― nomar, Monday, 28 December 2015 20:12 (eight years ago) link
the comparison of an inoffensive song you don't dig to actual physical racial violence is outlandish. and the fact that adele by all accounts is slotted as a "soul" singer of some sort goes completely unremarked, which makes the piece sort of astonishingly and proudly ignorant in terms of its treatment of race.
― big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Monday, 28 December 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link
skrrrrt
― j., Monday, 28 December 2015 20:23 (eight years ago) link
not to mention the consistent idea that "naturalness" is a "white" thing, which completely eclipses an entire tradition of neo-soul, roots hip-hop, etc. etc. not to mention which a "natural" as a hairstyle is well... like somebody get this author an Erykah Badu album stat
― big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Monday, 28 December 2015 20:31 (eight years ago) link
spite some kind of modern virtue
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 28 December 2015 20:46 (eight years ago) link
From the Quietus best albums thing, just one sentence
"The RSS B0ys are a quick fuck on a dirty gas station-toilet with some anonymous stranger." Sonja Matuszczyk
Uhh huhhhhhhhh
― stupid children forever (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 09:45 (eight years ago) link
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/how-lemmy-and-motorhead-gave-metal-its-umlaut-20151229
this is pretty bad. i'm not sure which is worse on this, the writing or the editorial. on the editorial side, we have a headline about the importance of the umlaut to motorhead which omits the umlaut. on the article side, we have an article about how motorhead brought the umlaut to metal which openly acknowledges that motorhead did not bring the umlaut to metal, but got it from blue oyster cult. also there's this bizarre tangent about amon duul. i'm not sure if browne is actually unaware that umlauts are a standard part of the german language or knows but doesn't care.
― new zingland (rushomancy), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 12:42 (eight years ago) link
Just dropped in to see if that garbage New Inquiry piece had made it. This thread never lets me down.
― impossible raver (Re-Make/Re-Model), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 16:17 (eight years ago) link
(Lemmy, a collector of Nazi memorabilia, rarely if ever commented on any connection between that umlaut and Nazi-era use of the dots in say, "Führer.") For Lemmy, the umlaut, like the music and lifestyle he lived until his body couldn't take it anymore, spoke — or pronounced — volumes.
― niels, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 16:20 (eight years ago) link
yeah, i got rooked into promulgating the umlaut piece myself... people want more lemmy content right now! A piece on the pictographic history of his mole would likely have tremendous click-through.
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 16:56 (eight years ago) link
that's more of a right-hand-side-of-the-browser affiliate program link
― j., Wednesday, 30 December 2015 17:23 (eight years ago) link
i stand corrected
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 17:23 (eight years ago) link
nazi-era use of the dots
― lem kip öbit (wins), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 17:26 (eight years ago) link
of course after ww2 the decision was made to remove the dots from the word Führer
― lem kip öbit (wins), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 17:28 (eight years ago) link
for a fairer Germany
― Coombesbat 18 (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 17:44 (eight years ago) link