― JoB (JoB), Friday, 13 August 2004 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― martin (martin), Sunday, 15 August 2004 00:09 (nineteen years ago) link
"Most Guardian readers probably appreciate the fact that under the vocals there's usually a track as musically experimental and obtuse as anything in the pages of The Wire." I'll bet most Guardian readers have never read an issue of the Wire in their lives. Also, why wouldn't grime's core audience appreciate its musical experimentality and obtuseness?
"the coverage in the style mags seems to take an almost gleeful pleasure in tales of young deprived black kids beating the shit out of each other at dances." That is very cruel. I'd like to see an example of that. Almost = not quite, so this is a very cheap criticisement.
"(Most of the staff and readers would last about three minutes at a Sidewinder rave or an Eski dance.)" I have never been able to attend, but my good fellow Matt Woebotnik had and he reported no problems at Eski Dance (realting to his person's attendage), as a white, middle-class, 30-year-old (or therabouts). I'd wager the writer is projecting his own fears here.
"It's hard to shake the feeling that grime has been seized upon so enthusiastically by the struggling music industry simply because in a climate so unimaginatively retro it's at least trying to do something different." Yeah, is that supposed to be so bad?
"But whether or not you "like" the music - it'd be interesting to know how many of the Mercury Prize's judges ever stick on a bit of Dizzee when they get home - is irrelevant." As if the only way to "like" music is sticking it on after you get home from work.
"To be honest, if you're even reading this paper, you're probably too old and too nice for grime to produce a record that says much to you." I'm sure there are plenty of broadsheet readers who can get a lot of pleasure, excitement and lots besides out of a Wiley or Dizzee record. Maybe even people reading this thread.
― JoB (JoB), Sunday, 15 August 2004 09:21 (nineteen years ago) link
This was the line in the article that really got me. If that's what he belives, why is he even writing the piece?
― Jason J, Sunday, 15 August 2004 11:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link
quite like d-ee and footsie 'prang man', i find it a nice balance between terra grunge goofy dinosaur roar guitar and target's polite but beguiling outdated-telecommunications utopia thing, what u think
― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 19 August 2004 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 19 August 2004 12:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 19 August 2004 12:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link
prang man is pretty decent
for me though, everything is about the essentials and davinche. forget the rest
― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 19 August 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 August 2004 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 28 August 2004 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― adam. (nordicskilla), Saturday, 28 August 2004 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 28 August 2004 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 August 2004 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 August 2004 02:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― martin (martin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― DaRinsa (DaRinsa), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― martin (martin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link
Yeah well of course but the effect is quite different. If anything the rhythms on such grime tracks remind me more of that earlier period where dubstep was still only just emerging out of more energetic bassy 2-step tunes and you had these crazy intricate chopped beats before proper dubstep's more torpid sophistication took over - think El-B's "Serious (Zed Bias Mix)".
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― martin (martin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link
Awesome, sounds like an overdriven bass guitar in there too!
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― blimp, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link
"Flying Away" was great too!
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/1xtra_aod.shtml?ukgmix
couple of interesting points. all the vocal tracks at the beginning - more evidence for grime going back towards the vocal/r&b side.
also L Man. his lyrical content, in the early part does that thing KRS One used to do, spitting random facts about slavery. nice subject matter but i never think it lyrically works, overwhelming listeners with random hystorical data...
thoughts?
( ps anyone know what the indian lick riddim that comes in at 01h:12m:40s ? )
― martin (martin), Monday, 6 September 2004 11:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― scg, Monday, 6 September 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― martin (martin), Monday, 6 September 2004 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barnaby (Barnaby), Monday, 6 September 2004 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 9 September 2004 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― martin (martin), Friday, 10 September 2004 09:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 10 September 2004 10:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 10 September 2004 10:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― martin (martin), Friday, 10 September 2004 10:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― martin (martin), Friday, 10 September 2004 10:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 10 September 2004 10:48 (nineteen years ago) link