'Retromania' gets a bad rap from people who didn't actually read the book past the introduction.
― canoon fooder (dog latin), Thursday, 14 January 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I haven't read a word of it.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 14 January 2016 10:44 (eight years ago) link
ignorance is blissed
― canoon fooder (dog latin), Thursday, 14 January 2016 11:06 (eight years ago) link
Nobody's positive thoughts on it -- actually regurgitation of the same reactionary clap trap -- has made me want to pick it up.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 14 January 2016 11:09 (eight years ago) link
i've read it and iirc my assessment of it was 'simon reynolds is a grumpy old revanchist modernist'
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 14 January 2016 11:30 (eight years ago) link
I don't really follow most of what y'all are saying but all I would say is this:
what sounds "fresh" is relative to what the listener is already familiar with, and is going to vary widely from listener to listener as a result
Do you mean that it's no longer possible to create a music that *no-one* is already familiar with? Because that sounds like bollocks to me.
― schlep and back trio (anagram), Thursday, 14 January 2016 13:10 (eight years ago) link
yes, but is bollocks cutting edge?
― canoon fooder (dog latin), Thursday, 14 January 2016 13:22 (eight years ago) link
I don't know what's cutting edge and don't listen to a lot of new music but I support this thread. Carry on with the actual recommendations.
― Jeff, Thursday, 14 January 2016 14:26 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQxx0ESyNjk
― Copy rights, pleasing all star wars fans, hiring professionals. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 January 2016 17:12 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eUv9xzTv94
― ANU (sisilafami), Thursday, 14 January 2016 17:22 (eight years ago) link
If only there were some other arguments one might make...
Oh, if only...
― spiritual hat gaz (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 14 January 2016 23:22 (eight years ago) link
keith rowe & graham lambkin - making a
― ANU (sisilafami)
if this was made by anybody else, would it have been released? i thought this one was pretty bland, what are your thoughts on it?
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 15 January 2016 00:36 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItMJtA8vfpw&feature=youtu.be
― Mr. Snroombes (mattresslessness), Friday, 15 January 2016 00:39 (eight years ago) link
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n)
Devin Disanto is nobody but his stuff gets released and is comparable to making a, so yeah.
I have no thoughs except that i enjoy listen to it.
― ANU (sisilafami), Friday, 15 January 2016 01:10 (eight years ago) link
As I've been reminded this week, Bowie's '70s output is a pretty good perpetual answer to this question regardless of year. Particularly the Berlin stuff.
― Professor Bworlph (Old Lunch), Friday, 15 January 2016 01:12 (eight years ago) link
so much for music discussion. the disanto/hoffman recording is dynamic and eventful, with structured activity, and an abundance of novel, sometimes jarring sounds.. it's puzzling, with elements of narrative and exposition. there's a liveliness to it. while Making a is comprised of sound events, there's nothing really interesting about it. i can't argue with your response, but there's a marked depth and coherence to three exercises. Making a is really hard to engage with, in comparison
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 15 January 2016 01:34 (eight years ago) link
I think 'making a' is as eventful, it's just that sometimes you wanna listen to something quiet and soothing.
― ANU (sisilafami), Friday, 15 January 2016 10:21 (eight years ago) link
http://asystems.co
― pre millennial tension (uptown churl), Thursday, 10 March 2016 21:00 (eight years ago) link
More please.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 15:34 (seven years ago) link
the cutting paper w scissors thing turned out actually pretty prescient w the whole ASMR boom.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 17:16 (seven years ago) link
Saw Lotic DJ last night in the side room of Tresor and he played mostly r&b and rap anthems mixed with edits of his own and lots of that post-dubstep-post-footwork "experimental club music" you can find all over Beatport and it sounded both really out-there and really fun. I was expecting simply lots of horrible noises so I guess I should check his Boiler Room?
― boxedjoy, Saturday, 14 January 2017 13:57 (seven years ago) link
Lotic has done nothing but bore me to tears and write irritating posts about PC Music but if it's the future then it's the future I guess
― illbient microtonal poetry Surbiton (imago), Saturday, 14 January 2017 14:10 (seven years ago) link
I need to listen to this Elysia Crampton...Rev, did you listen to the E+E album that was getting some hype once upon a time...?
― U2 (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 14 January 2017 15:08 (seven years ago) link
("this"...I meant "some")
― U2 (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 14 January 2017 15:09 (seven years ago) link
boxedjoy, his own records are much farther out than his dj sets, the BR set is very enjoyable.
― change display name (Jordan), Saturday, 14 January 2017 20:07 (seven years ago) link
Yeah it was my boyfriend who wanted us to go and I was expecting it to be like that "when you play Lotic at a party" meme video tbh so I was really surprised to be hearing Rae Sremmurd and Rihanna - not even edits, just played straight
― boxedjoy, Sunday, 15 January 2017 10:06 (seven years ago) link
How very revealing that Imago finds a post denouncing racism and homophobia to be "irritating".
― Matt DC, Sunday, 15 January 2017 13:39 (seven years ago) link
I forgot we actually did this two years ago so no sense in going back over old ground I suppose.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 15 January 2017 13:44 (seven years ago) link
how very revealing? fuck off
― illbient microtonal poetry Surbiton (imago), Sunday, 15 January 2017 14:09 (seven years ago) link
it was all the stuff about insincerity that painted the actual music of lower worth that was irritating
racism and homophobia need to be called out wherever they exist. this is so obvious and true I can't quite believe you're flinging such poisonous murmurings my way
― illbient microtonal poetry Surbiton (imago), Sunday, 15 January 2017 14:12 (seven years ago) link
and if 'imago is a bigot, I read his Fader rant' is a thing now, then sure my posts there were totally wrong and misguided but at the heart of it was a disdain for The Fader as a shitty hipstery music-as-fashion sooo woke yah sex is so great yah these people singing about sex is so sexy they just want to impose their young sexy sex on us and we should be honoured superiority complex disguised as a magazine
...rather than disdain for people of any race or culture or orientation
― illbient microtonal poetry Surbiton (imago), Sunday, 15 January 2017 14:49 (seven years ago) link
Anyway, back on topic, Elysia Crampton is kind of awesome and has always grabbed me much much more than Lotic.
― illbient microtonal poetry Surbiton (imago), Sunday, 15 January 2017 15:00 (seven years ago) link
imago much love but you did start throwing shade at lotic completely unprompted, so your shock and awe at other people "flinging poisonous murmurings your way" comes off as slightly disingenuous.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Sunday, 15 January 2017 15:10 (seven years ago) link
Racism and homophobia need to be called our wherever they exist, as long as it happens in a way that doesn't disparage music you like, in which case it becomes so irritating that you have to bring it up two years later for no reason.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 15 January 2017 15:24 (seven years ago) link
Like obviously I don't think you're about to go out and join a far right organisation but you do appear to have a number of under-examined cultural prejudices that could perhaps bear a little more examination before you hit send. Rather than realising and apologising after the fact, as usually happens.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 15 January 2017 15:27 (seven years ago) link
no defending gfoty rly and the calling out itself was fine. the attacks on the music of pc music were irritating as shit and completely tangential to the necessary calling-out. bringing it up now was probably a dick move but seeing lotic described as the future of music based on their playing rae sremmurd in their dj sets is sufficient provocation? idk. pick my battles better I guess
anyway, when it's 2019 and I'm describing Lotic as the saviour of electronic music we'll all look back at this and laugh
― illbient microtonal poetry Surbiton (imago), Sunday, 15 January 2017 15:36 (seven years ago) link
the cleaning edge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PakAiTZWAs
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 15 January 2017 15:48 (seven years ago) link
namaste
― illbient microtonal poetry Surbiton (imago), Sunday, 15 January 2017 16:00 (seven years ago) link
"future of music" is pushing it. Hearing modern pop brush up against these ~avant-garde~ club sounds and make sense in the context is all I was getting at in the thread that seemed to have the most prior mentions of Lotic.
― boxedjoy, Sunday, 15 January 2017 16:00 (seven years ago) link
I mean I can hear these pop songs in any high street club and I can rummage on the Funkysouls UK Funky thread for this grime/ballroom/dancehall hybrid stuff but to hear the differences between them reduced to almost nothing was the exciting part for me
― boxedjoy, Sunday, 15 January 2017 16:03 (seven years ago) link