I've never read about Lou and Iggy interacting tbh. I can imagine Lou feeling threatened
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:25 (eight years ago) link
might just be thinking of Lou dissing Iggy in that Lester Bangs article -- "sweet, but stupid" or something like that.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:26 (eight years ago) link
xxp I think yr right, I think Iggy liked Lou, but Lou...I mean who knows
Also, I thought it was interesting in that Iggy interivew when Bowie died he was very complimentary but also made it sound like they hadn't spoken in yrs & yrs
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:26 (eight years ago) link
Malkmus's vote, btw: http://www.nme.com/news/lou-reed/74044
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:27 (eight years ago) link
Anyway, this poll...head says Lou, heart says Ig, for me at least
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:27 (eight years ago) link
"sweet, but stupid" or something like that.
of course if you took this as an insult Lou would probably come back with "what's wrong with stupid? I love stupid"
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:28 (eight years ago) link
My cursory Bowie bio reading this past week led me to believe that Iggy was perhaps Bowie's best rock star friend, but he still considered people like George Underwood his only true friends. Also seem to recall reading about some, um, cat fight between David and Lou.
― Look at that Pavement POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:30 (eight years ago) link
iirc Lou wasn't all that grateful about Bowie saving his career in 1972
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:31 (eight years ago) link
Lou had the best music video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiyX70ZqsVQ
― Chortles And Guffaws (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:32 (eight years ago) link
Lou guitarist Chuck Hammer:
As a guitarist in the Lou Reed band at that time, I was actually sitting next to both David and Lou at dinner when this exchange took pace, I can tell you exactly what transpired verbally.
‘Lou had been discussing details regarding his upcoming new album- as yet un-recorded. Lou asked David if he would be interested in producing the record and David replied yes – but only upon the condition that Lou would stop drinking and clean up his act. And upon that reply, the aforementioned chaos ensued.
‘It should be noted that this verbal bantering also continued into the night back at the hotel -With Bowie in the hallway demanding that Reed “come out and fight like a man” Eventually it all quieted down as Lou never reappeared to continue the fight, and was most likely already fast asleep.’
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:32 (eight years ago) link
yeah bowie and reed seemed to patch things up later in life -- think i read they socialized pretty regularly in the 2000s since both were NYC residents?hard to imagine bowie telling Lou to "fight like a man" but who knows
― tylerw, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:34 (eight years ago) link
Bowie would know.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:35 (eight years ago) link
I assume this is a mistake, since that is not the Original Wrapper video
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:35 (eight years ago) link
woah puppet Lou is freaking me out
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:36 (eight years ago) link
Starman says it was perhaps his first fight "since being clocked in the eye by George Underwood."(Xp)
― Look at that Pavement POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:37 (eight years ago) link
I haven't that video in yrs and just the memory of puppet Lou is going make me not be able to sleep tonight
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:38 (eight years ago) link
think i read that Lou's mother really hated that video, which is understandable. xp a bowie-produced Lou Reed record in 1980 would've been ... interesting.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:38 (eight years ago) link
"Legendary Hearts" is hell of underrated, ha I ignored it for a long time cuz of the dumb album cover
Meanwhile The Blue Mask could easily be mistaken for a cheapo comp, as it's just the Transformer cover photo tinted blue...
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:40 (eight years ago) link
Lol, right
― Look at that Pavement POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:41 (eight years ago) link
did Bowie get the idea of uglifying The Next Day sleeve from Lou?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:44 (eight years ago) link
Ha, I just had that thought myself...
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:45 (eight years ago) link
Still think the idea that David borrowed Aladdin Sane's lighting bolt from Elvis's TCB jewelry is undercirculated.
― Look at that Pavement POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:53 (eight years ago) link
I mean it was three years before the King bought the Lisa Marie and painted it on the tail fin.
― Look at that Pavement POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:54 (eight years ago) link
surely Captain Marvel is the real source there
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 17:59 (eight years ago) link
Right! Elvis was way into Captain Marvel.
― Look at that Pavement POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 18:09 (eight years ago) link
"his last album was a grim, rage-filled contrarian "fuck you" move (ie, standard operating Lou procedure) so yeah"
But.... Junior Dad?
― Mule, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 18:23 (eight years ago) link
I can never choose between these guys. They're just the best thing in Music.
― Mule, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 18:24 (eight years ago) link
The head says Bowie, the heart says Lou.the crotch definitely says Iggy though.still, went with the heart.
― campreverb, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 20:09 (eight years ago) link
Music: Bowie >>> Lou > IggyInteresting-ness of 70s lifestyle: Lou > Iggy > BowiePractical approach to music: Iggy > Bowie > LouIntellectual approach to music: Lou > Bowie > IggyWho would be the best company in a bar: Iggy > Bowie >>> Lou
― bored at work (snoball), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 20:15 (eight years ago) link
Collaborators: Bowie >>> Iggy > Lou (not counting Bowie as a Lou or Iggy collaborator)
― bored at work (snoball), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 20:16 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ioRWlG9PBQ
always feel like this is the soundtrack to the OP photo
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 20:22 (eight years ago) link
write-in for Entwistle.
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 20:46 (eight years ago) link
According to The Complete David Bowie (quoting Bowie himself I think) the inspiration was more prosaic
http://www.covington.coop/images/voltagesignsmall.jpg
― Number None, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 20:52 (eight years ago) link
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Tuesday, January 26, 2016 3:46 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Pretty sure that's Tony DeFries behind them.
Though Entwistle did play on Susanna Hoffs' cover of "Boys Keep Swinging," so it's all a rich tapestry.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 20:56 (eight years ago) link
heh i've always thought there should be an in-depth oral history just about that lou-david-iggy party, but it is likely no one remembers much.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 20:58 (eight years ago) link
For real! Do we even know what's its from? The MainMan holiday party?
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 21:05 (eight years ago) link
It was taken at the Dorchester Hotel in London.http://www.5years.com/rock.htm(scroll down to the picture Rock's paragraph describing the circumstances is below)
― bored at work (snoball), Tuesday, 26 January 2016 21:10 (eight years ago) link
Damn, I never thought about the timeline, but "Transformer" was recorded August 1972, "Raw Power" recorded September 1972
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 21:11 (eight years ago) link
Bowie > Iggy >>>>>>> Lou
― Turrican, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 21:11 (eight years ago) link
Really?his last album was a grim, rage-filled contrarian "fuck you" move (ie, standard operating Lou procedure) so yeah
his last album was a grim, rage-filled contrarian "fuck you" move (ie, standard operating Lou procedure) so yeah
I dunno, I thought it was the last cry for his mortality and so on.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 23:51 (eight years ago) link
it was hardly the valedictory lap that Bowie's last album has been. Granted Lou didn't die the day after came out or anything, but I doubt that would have improved its reception. Certainly since Lou died it hasn't really gotten a critical reappraisal (which might still happen!) It's a bleak album imo, done in a style and with collaborators that he knew would throw people for a loop, at the very least.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 23:59 (eight years ago) link
it's definitely bleak, but maybe aside from "junior dad" it doesn't seem "old-man-about-to-die" bleak to me?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 00:01 (eight years ago) link
yeah there doesn't seem to be a lot of personal reflection or soul-searching or career-summing up in it.
I mean, Little Dog is obviously personal but
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 00:07 (eight years ago) link
All that bit about "spermless" or whatever it was? I only heard it once, entirely. (The ILX lulu, however...)
Raging against the dying of the light, etc..
― Mark G, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 00:11 (eight years ago) link
Who would be the best company in a bar: Iggy > Bowie >>> Lou
"You know, you have to be real careful where you sit downIn a bar these days"
― The Return of the Thin White Pope (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 00:12 (eight years ago) link
For me, the Velvet Underground makes it no contest.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 00:12 (eight years ago) link
(btw that is Tony DeFries in the background of the photo at the top of the thread)
write in vote for b.g.
― lute bro (brimstead), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 00:35 (eight years ago) link
gah that's "made man". Ban me
Bowie's defense of Lulu looks a bit more calcualted now tbf.
― campreverb, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 00:39 (eight years ago) link