Who's the Main Man : Bowie, Iggy or Lou ?

Lou. I'll take the Velvets' four albums (along with The Blue Mask) over Bowie's and Iggy's entire catalogues.

by the way, I have listened to "Blue Mask". It's ok but I guess I don't really need 80s Lou...

hey Lou doesn't need YOU either, he's just an average guy

I love women. I think they're great.

more thoughts re: the Velvets vs. Bowie - the one thing Bowie did, thematically, that the Velvets didn't was science fiction. Lou was not interested in that shit. But musically an awful lot of Bowie's styles can be traced back to the Velvets in some way or another (which he would and did freely acknowledge), I think Alfred is v otm about the master:disciple relationship.

SATELLITE OF LOVE tho

but yeah, Lou wasn't really a sci-fi dude as far as i know (he was into EC horror comics, i believe)

hmm yeah satellite of love is kind of proto-space oddity - the alienation of space/technology

At one point Lou was going to do a comic bk version of The Raven w/ Neil Gaiman, p glad that never happened

I sold Bowie an EC Science Fiction box set when I was working in a London comic shop in the 1980s

Wrongest statement of 2016 so far. Long way to go though tbf.

― The Return of the Thin White Pope (Tom D.), Wednesday, January 27, 2016 6:40 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Agree with 誤訳侮辱, Fun House towers over Raw Power.

Fun House is absolutely epochal and decades ahead of its time; Raw Power is a fun, shitty-sounding record with a middling guitarist.

xp well this came out (don't think Gaiman was involved)
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51iKlhcytgL._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

I'd forgotten about that - any good?

i've avoided it...

whoa stop the presses and look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4kl8LNm7hc

nice Joker makeup

i don't really see the value in choosing
their careers and lives were intertwined but honestly they are all so different artistically that i don't care to say like oh man station to station kicks funhouse's ass! fuck that! satellite of love blows compared to v-2 schneider! oh yeah?? the passenger makes afterhours sound like a donkey fart!

hmm yeah satellite of love is kind of proto-space oddity - the alienation of space/technology

Not sure how it could described as proto.

well I'm not really sure which one was written first (I doubt you know either)

certainly Space Oddity was *released* first

it's possible that was Lou copping "Space Oddity", I suppose, dunno if he ever discussed that particular song anywhere

The Byrds "Hey Mr. Spaceman" and "Eight Miles High"

also "telstar"

that's probably ground zero

those songs aren't really about alienation iirc

I mean there are tons of songs about outer space, aliens, astronauts etc. but Space Oddity and Satellite of Love are more about how *lonely* being in outer space could be, and about how technology separates people from one another

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CQA3jzmvA4

heh I wonder if Lou and Tom Wilson ever chatted about Sun Ra

'please mr kennedy (don't you shoot me into outer space)'

puh-puh-puh-puhleeze

uh-OH

hadn't thought of it before, but yeah, satellite of love *could've* been Lou kinda taking a sly shot at "space oddity"... think that "satellite" was written in late '69.

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(ack, sorry, Shirley Collins with Space Girl)

look if we're just going to post songs about space we can start another thread cuz as a subject that goes *waaaaaay* back (Hank Snow's "Honeymoon on a Rocketship" is 1953 and I'm sure there's earlier stuff than that)

xp

Never really saw "Satellite of Love" as being about alienation and the loneliness of space. It's more about watching TV than outer space.

Where is the loneliness, is "Soon it'll be filled with parkin' cars" supposed to be alienating?

Lou and David's writing styles are so different though - David's a romantic and Lou's colloquial. It's the prosaic qualities in Lou's work that keep me coming back to understand my life through his, but David let's me fly.

Was never big on Iggy but have a lot of respect for his work of course.

love is gone into outer space, only accessible via TV

xp

Was Space Oddity a well known song in the US in 1969?

Nope. It wasn't a hit here until 1973 (#15).

So Lou probably more familiar with Sun Ra in '69 than David Bowie after all.

My parents had the single.

Then again I first heard Iggy Pop in a movie movie theater showing "Problem Child" and now the Iggy-Bowie songs are in commercials for cruise ships. Kind of amazing how successful these three turned out to be. From junkies to afternoon TV.

Iggy's the least gifted of the three, but the Stooges records (particularly Funhouse) meant more to me than anything Lou and Bowie ever did. Have to vote for Igg.

― circa1916, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 07:12 (14 hours ago) Permalink

^^^ cosign this; while my knowledge of these three dudes' discographies is far from comprehensive, Fun House and The Idiot would be #1 & #2 on my list by such a huge margin (VU s/t & Ziggy Stardust *might* be in sniffing distance, depending on which way the wind blows), it more than makes up for the fact that no other Iggy/Stooges material would crack the top 10

PS: I still ride for Bowie's brilliantly insane mixing of Raw Power -- Raw Power in general I have a lot of love for, there are some wonderful songs on there -- but if you come in here running your mouth about how it's a better record than Fun House I will smash my beer bottle, wave it at you and demand that you get out

Who's the Main Man : Bowie, Iggy or Lou ?
He will walk through the wall if you want him to

i agree about the bowie mix of raw power being the better one. personally i've always found the iggy remix really hard to sit through.

if you come in here running your mouth about how it's a better record than Fun House I will smash my beer bottle, wave it at you and demand that you get out

No-one has that though... possibly ever.

ahem

Bowie vs Iggy is tough cos didn't Bowie basically save the Stooges?

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 04:19 (Yesterday) Permalink

If by "save" you mean keep alive via artificial means, sure. Artistically, though, there's no universe in which Raw Power is a better album than Fun House, or even a fit sequel.

― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, January 27, 2016 10:16 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's no universe in which Raw Power is a better album than Fun House, or even a fit sequel.

Wrongest statement of 2016 so far. Long way to go though tbf.

― The Return of the Thin White Pope (Tom D.), Wednesday, January 27, 2016 11:40 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

But I never her. OK that was confusing because I meant the statement about it not being a 'fit sequel'.

.. which it is.