Lou Reed Solo

yeah ... innaresting that lou plays all the guitar on R&R Heart, apparently?

let's take a minute to pay trib to this dude: http://www.iridescentmusic.ca/fonf.html

what is it about old men and terrible hawaiian shirts

maybe it's just something that happens to you, you know? like you wake up one day and you've got nothing but hawaiian shirts in your closet. and it feels good.

Yeah I think Hawaiian shirts are cool, actually, especially on older men.

but... you're onstage, not on vacation!

love these shirts
http://z.about.com/d/classicrock/1/0/I/9/velvetundergroundc.jpg

someone told me that tai chi album he made was surprisingly decent ambient

umm it's ok? i mean, i'm not sure if i'd be super into it if i didn't know it was Lou Reed. but because i know it is him, I AM SUPER INTO IT. to a certain extent. I bought the fucking thing, anyway.

(well, d/l'd from emusic, which isn't quite the same thing)

those VU shirts are NOT hawaiian come on now!

yeah, you're right. i just like that picture. VU at the Zoo!

Check out these Lou Reed acoustic demos from 1970, they are quite awesome:

http://croz.fm/files/category-lou-reed.php

whoah!

Grab 'em fast, I hear this site is getting shut down any minute now...

Yeah I love that pic, too, Tyler. Notice Lou's pants as well. He's got the best outfit of them all.

Okay I'm gonna grab me these acoustic demos now. I've never had the courage to listen to his first solo album until now but I gotta tell you those backup singers on "I Can't Stand It" were a no-no.

those acoustic demos are pretty good -- think i have them on one of those VU Ultra Rare Trax bootlegs. "Ride Into The Sun" is particularly nice. Lou's first solo album is fascinating, though not always in a good way. Hard to know what kind of sound exactly they were going for?

Banging on a Drum rhythm track is fairly insane, was not expecting that from Lou

I was thinking of Follow the Leader here - that sorta Headhunterish jazz-funk groove. very odd. also is it me or do the lyrics namecheck Ornette?

Convinced Bowie ripped off the feel of that track, rhythmwise, for "Look Back in Anger"

Yeah the first time I heard "Follow The Leader" (long before I'd heard the rest of the album) I was shocked. It wasn't exactly what I was expecting from Lou Reed, and damn funky. I'd only gone looking for it because of the song on the Velvet Underground Quine Tapes by the same name which absolutely killed me, albeit in an entirely different way. Shakey have you heard that?

One thing I only recently realised is how much he depended on Velvet outtakes during his 70s solo years. The debut album is almost all VU material. Transformer is, what, about half VU material. Even Berlin is about half VU songs! As late as Street Hassle in 1978, he's still pulling out old VU songs from the bottom drawer.

Really??? I don't think of Berlin as borrowed from Velvets material at all.

Certainly not Street Hassle.

Really??? I don't think of Berlin as borrowed from Velvets material at all.

Men Of Good Fortune, Oh Jim, Caroline Says II and Sad Song were all first done by the Velvets. The title track is also recycled.

Certainly not Street Hassle.

It's got Real Good Time Together on it

"Men of Good Fortune" is a Velvets' song?

Well, according to Wikipedia it is... although I've never heard it. You can hear the Velvets doing Oh Jim and Sad Song on Spotify though...

Oh yeah, I know they're from the Velvets era. Amusing that "Kill Your Sons" on the acoustic demos thing is a fairly naff protest song! Also that Lou was "Looking Through the Eyes of Love" in 1970 but "Looking Through the Eyes of Hate" by 1973.

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A little bit of googling leads me to this site http://olivier.landemaine.free.fr/vu/andsoon/lostsongs/lostsongs.html

which says there's a tape of VU doing Men Of Good Fortune in 1966

Love the least-to-most-colourful arrangement of those shirts!

Okay, I'll give you "Real Good Time Together", but where is the Velvets version of Sad Songs, for starters? Don't leave me out of this. Ah fook, here were are with this Spotify thing, though. I can't get Spotify. Jeez, way to kill the joy.

I'll get it my own way, never mind.

Version of "Sad Song" on the expanded edition of "Loaded" with Lou going on about castles and kilts!

which says there's a tape of VU doing Men Of Good Fortune in 1966

I imagine in those days it was one of Lou's embarrassing Dylanesque protest songs

Sad Song actually sounds pretty good as a VU song. You could imagine it on the third album or something.

Yeah I had a problem because I couldn't find my copy of Loaded for awhile there. Totally panicked before I finally figured out where it was. Sorry that I don't remember this or understand why it's not on my iPod. Gonna fix this right away.

downloading all the Lou material from that site!

OK, not all of it.

Alright, listening to this Velvets version of Sad Song now and yeah I remember this, but without all the strings and grandeur, it really ain't much.

"Love Makes You Feel Ten Feet Tall" on the other hand...yikes.

<3 <3 <3 <3 Lou

I think that version of "Sad Song" is great!

Yeah, I kind of like the stripped-down Sad Song, it's got a similar vibe to the stuff on the 69 live album.

Anyway, my point was that in the few years of the Velvet Underground, he must have been bulimically writing songs at an amazing rate but come the seventies, his muse seems to have left him somewhat (drugs age etc I guess), and he has to resort to pulling out all the stuff he wrote years before but at the time didn't deem good enough or something. And he's still doing it late into the seventies

That was always one of my all time faves on this CD, that song "Love Makes You Feel Ten Feet Tall". I love it when the bridge comes in (I guess you can't really call it a proper guitar solo), it sounds so Scottish right there, or like an Irish jig or something. You want to sortof cross your feet and dance to that shit. Fucking kills me.

yeah but Zelda, I mean it's not like he didn't...develop. I think it's kindof unfair to criticize him for that.

Oh I'm not really criticising him, I like those seventies albums, it just hadn't occurred to me before how he'd really squeezed VU for every last bit of juice. I mean, Berlin is immense but I'm a bit bowled over now that I realise out of the nine tracks only four were original to the album! Obviously Berlin is all about the production anyway, love it or loathe it.

Is there a parallel with Bowie? Starts madly doing songs he cowrote with Iggy when his creative juices run dry - to considerably less good effect of course!

Remember reading a rather sneery interview with Sterling Morrison where he pointed out how many of Lou's solo albums were reliant on Velvets' retreads

yeah, it's true -- I think even "Kill Your Sons" from Sally Can't Dance even stretches back to the Velvets days. Still, those were Lou's songs -- no harm in reworking them. Some people just have really strong bursts of creativity, and 1965-70 was Lou's. I loooooove that VU "Sad Song" ... Same with "Satellite of Love." Always thought it was surprising the songs Lou didn't return to in the 70s -- "Foggy Notion," in particular.

"Over You"!

yeah! was just listening to that on Live 69. beautiful song! always liked "move right in" too -- the bootleg versions have lyrics. just a cool groove. though that may have been why he didn't go back to it - it may have just been a cool groove to him.

mistrial is up there with take no prisoners as his funniest record

"Growing Up In Public" is a hoot too.

Mistrial >>>>> Berlin

I think the time is ripe for an "Alfred's 80s records challops" thread

and I wish that it be a cheerful thread

I thought this was that thread?

Preferring Mistrial to Berlin isn't a challops. A B or B- is a better grade than a C+ or C.

I meant for a thread to include more artists than Lou!

idk i can't agree with alfred on berlin, outside of the arrangements all the songs on it seem v well written to me

the (relatively) recent concert movie was v rewarding

I don't know Mistrial apart from the two singles, which are OK. But Berlin is an album I've lived with all my teen/adult life and means an awful lot to me, melodramatic orchestration and all. I hadn't realised until recently though that half the tracks were recycled from VU days. It's amazing that he was recycling VU tracks right up to Street Hassle and maybe beyond.

Listening to the eponymous 1972 album right now and it's sounding pretty good, albeit sort of Loaded II

^Right?

I suppose Street Hassle's ranking might uh rankle.. It's not much beyond the great title track.