Are you cool with forks making Spotify playlists out of every rolling thread without permission?

idk man it's just the principle of it

xp

I like that the links disappear, things waft in and out like kestrels in the valley

I don't think I can see the first post or who started the poll cause I'm on zing but the tenor of some of the later posts and the nature of the objection are extremely disrespectful imo

unfortunately being on zing also means I can't fp

To document is to kill, to feel is to live, as the old sign down by the quarry used to say before the local kids spraypainted "ADEYZ LIFE" over it

fwiw i really like the techno tracks Matt p posts on the bobbins threads (I even enjoyed his deep house mix this morning!) and hopes he gets over this fit and continues to do so

Everything dies eventually.

i think it's always worth considering what matt p says as he is a smart, principled and numerously deprivileged individual - so while i am on forks' side here, and am grateful for his enormous effort in helping to expand our engagement with music, i wouldn't simply silence the threadstarter - forks himself has engaged with him, so i don't see why the rest of us shouldn't

I don't think I can see the first post or who started the poll cause I'm on zing but the tenor of some of the later posts and the nature of the objection are extremely disrespectful imo

― flopson, Thursday, February 4, 2016 8:17 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'll give you one guess

forks i have no beef with you and ultimately i'm not hugely concerned about issues of ownership around words on the internet but

there is maybe something a shade careless about co-opting people into a private game gone public without some kind of "asking if they're OK with it first" approach. imo

obv tho this is the internet so my moral reservation is tempered with caution, and is coloured by my general antagonism to aggregation of data/transfiguration of cultural product into same

also, a lot of the least helpful posts on this thread have not been from yourself or matt but from people dorkishly refusing to accept that anybody might have qualms about their idea of fun

― Chikan wa akan de. Zettai akan de. (Noodle Vague), Thursday, February 4, 2016 7:20 AM (5 hours ago)

though obviously share 'antagonism to aggregation of data/transfiguration of cultural product' don't think the ethical claims quite work

the value of the metadata.....this probably is of very negligible value to the company given minor status of ilx in the grand scheme of things; neither being sufficiently large in aggregate, nor sufficiently coherent in authorship (some experts, insofar as they exist, a lot of random nonexperts)

the co-option argument....even if naming a track creates some form of interest in that datum, then anyone posting to an aggregate thread rather than 'x's list of extraordinary reggae tracks' really disclaims individual interest in favour of the collective; if ilx considered collective and indivisble author, then the consumer is the author

if there were a small enough discrete group of people to ask the question 'do you mind' then that might be reasonable, but what forks is doing depends on this metadata being from a large, diffuse group of people, so practically impossible

I love Matt he is just massively wrong and bad in this instance. I hold no grudge but imo he should apologize to forks.

I don't think this is something that even a board consensus of 'no' should be allowed to resolve, it's just like, idk it's not even up for discussion because there is no discussion. we are a community of internet music nerds that linked to blogs that didn't pay musicians now we link to youtubes that don't pay musicians, now someone who links youtubes wants to prevent sumone from linking to a thing that pays labels who in turn don't pay musicians enough? and claims some moral ground for it? fuck that. I hate the hamfisted oneupmanny moral logic but also just I think it's so mean to forks to try and turn the community against his benevolent and purely voluntary project, and on top of it to say mean things to him. and the 'let's think about it' chinstrokers who don't see this for what it is, and on top of it make aggro snarky posts. Idk this is a community and that's just not cool

'a smart, principled and numerously deprivileged individual'

are you sure you're not describing an articulate rapper here?

to quote an inarticulate rapper, what you lookin at you lit-tul rich boy?

flopson vm otm itt

xp

this is war

forks is good people as far as I'm concerned, as is flopson, so i would hate for my thinking out loud - and quite possibly being wrong - about different ways of contextualizing experiences of music to be seen as being disrespectful, never mind offensive.

i have a minor niggle about taking from a conversation in one place and repurposing some of it in another. it's probably more of an intellowank niggle than a genuine sense of wrong-doing, but i felt more honest sharing it than saying nothing

spotify is awesome btw everyone should use spotify this is my official endorsement of spotify

(my apologies for not knowing about the name change. also, what everyone else said about glenn's and forks's contributions to the board and the music business.)

NV- I'm sure there was nothing wrong with ur post itt + in general love the intellowank, just felt oddly roused by this CF out of a sense that forks is at times unduly bullied on the board for being nothing but an earnest lover of music and the rank stench of Matt's argument and felt I had to draw a line in the sand

mattresslessness IS the shit poster he and many of his friends accuse me of being -- y'all are just less suspicious of his politics. In your heart you know I'm right

that would suggest 'are you cool with forks' poll with the options 'forks is a top lad' 'loves his tunes does forks' and 'yes'
would vote yes :)

all the "Spotify is evil!" stuff is fucking infantile imo

I work in the music business and the hundredth of a penny I get from a Spotify spin is used to feed two children so anybody who thinks their take is somehow more artists-needs than mine can go cut bait, the "well it's a bad deal so I'm not supporting it" is exactly the "I hate the major labels so I download for free but if a better system came along I'd pay the artist" garbage

flopson massively OTM in short, thank you for your righteous posts

Thanks to this thread, I've discovered a bunch of cool playlists that forks has curated. Appreciate the tip, mattress!

Poll Closing Date: Sunday, February 28, 2016 7:00 PM (in 3 weeks)

is it possible to get an extension on this?!!?!

omg just saw this thread. anyone that would have a problem with forks nerding out and making these playlist is totally insane . I have to admit that i'm really surprised by this shit and that this thread wasn't just locked.

I'm still trying to figure out how he does it. Seems nearly impossible to keep up but I'll enjoy it while it lasts

this is some silly shit

i know, february 28th is less than a month away, the deadline is on a sunday night (traditionally my time for hanging out), and i'm really worried there could be some confusion with the leap year factor. March 28th is surely safer?!?!

I voted "not" by accident because I didn't understand the question

lol you all are ridiculous

one thing to keep in mind is that it's very easy to ask for permission on ILX

i mean if you want to "take the temperature" you just need to start a quick little poll thread and pop the question. (helps to have a reasonable deadline though...)

I've been sleeping on Spotify but I think this thread has finally convinced me to give it a whirl, if only to check out some of forks' playlists.

(Hope it was okay to post that without permission.)

well! her comes ol' forks!

good ol' forks ... yes, sir!

good ol' forks ...

How we hate him.

Oh, good forks
How we hate him!
How we hate him!
Our dear old good forks

burn this guy forks

Pitchforks --- offa this website!

You can't burn a fork.

You can't burn a fish, but you can tuna fork.

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i think it's always worth considering what matt p says as he is a smart, principled and numerously deprivileged individual - so while i am on forks' side here, and am grateful for his enormous effort in helping to expand our engagement with music, i wouldn't simply silence the threadstarter - forks himself has engaged with him, so i don't see why the rest of us shouldn't

― ZESTY O'PRIDE (imago)

He's also one of the biggest bullies on ilx, and this thread does nothing to dispel that reputation. I did try to engage with the question on an honest basis at the beginning of this thread, trying to work out if there was something that I'd missed, until it transpired that the objection was actually "I don't like the way you do it you should do more work until you do it the way I like it".

such mean posts on this thread

Well, it's an important subject that stirs up deep emotions. It can hardly be helped.

I hope that was sarcasm.

It started out silly then got a lil sillier then it started to go too far back the other way and then waaaay too much the other way somewhere about 2pm Dublin time forks was canonised and we shall not look for his like on the mortal plane again as of 3.40ish matt was to be tarred and feathered we expect that by 6pm someone will have realised that ilm is the pits and that this non issue didn't really matter and it will all have died down by dinner (carrot and celeriac soup)