Are you cool with forks making Spotify playlists out of every rolling thread without permission?

Are you cool with forks making Spotify playlists out of every rolling thread without permission?

which is probably as close to an apology as we'll probably get.

I did apologize, read upthread.

also lol wins you get a gold star sticker

Just a bit of fun, so let's be cool

I am sorry as well, Οὖτις.

fight the real enemy (pre-cover albums)

lol @ "numerously deprivileged individual"

"check out our new curated playlists, What's Next In Fruity Swag Goon Music 2016 - EDITOR'S PICKS!!!" ...?

They do do this fwiw. See my last post on the Spotify thread re: stealing my friends' online radio station playlists.

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, February 3, 2016 10:16 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just to both fulfill the expectation that I always defend Spotify AND demonstrate my point about adding actual information: the "They" in the SomaFM case was random Spotify users, not anybody who works for Spotify, and thus exactly not an example of what you claim...

i hold no grudges against anyone itt but flopson relentlessly otm throughout imo

also to respond to this lex post:

feel like it's just giving into the anti-rolling thread whingers and allowing them a means to bypass actually engaging with genre threads and their regulars, genre discussions, the nitty-gritty of what's actually changing or going on. analogous to the wider trend of plucking some cool sound you heard on the internet out of its context and then abdicating any need to learn about that context bc "convenience" "spoonfeeding" whatever. none of the rolling threads move especially fast these days and if you have so little interest in house or r&b or afropop or whatever that you can't even bring yourself to read them...i mean it doesn't matter how little you know, i'm a complete novice/dilettante in the afropop thread but the absolute least i can do when i catch up is to post about what i like and why i like it, not scurry off to the safety bubble of a spotify playlist

the #1 (and prob exclusive) obstacle preventing me from engaging w/ rolling threads is the shitty functionality brought on by endless youtube embeds. it slows my browser down, sometimes makes it crash, it super fucking clunky when i listen to something and then try to respond to, and so many links are dead with months anyways.

dr casino very much otm here too

i mean... the rolling threads are basically wall-to-wall youtube embeds right? like people have already provided a one-stop shop for listening to the music they recommend... i'm not sure i get why that same lineup being transposed to some other format is suddenly weird and makes you not want to post things. is it that it divorces the songs from who picked them and makes the whole thing more anonymous/less visibly a collective effort? i don't really hang out on rolling threads tbh but i gather that those who do kinda "know" each other's tastes, "oh man, that is such a 'lex' song" or whatever... and i could see where making it easy to get the music but not the people/conversation might rub someone the wrong way...?

so... given the youtube thing - --- while i would believe that spotify is more problematic or evil than youtube, it's not like without the forks playlists, the music would only be heard in some kind of unmediated free-love manner. also all those embeds tend to make it impossible to load the threads or conveniently listen to the music IME. like you really have to perch at the computer, daintily click play on a single youtube embed, sit there and listen to it and consider your response (or if you liked the song, painstakingly save it to your itunes wishlist [is that a thing?] or more likely, your own spotify playlist) before scrolling down to click play on the next single youtube embed.... seems like just getting them into your regular listening regime makes a fuck of a lot more sense. also for those who make EOY ballots or just generally want to stay current with things, seems like a massive massive resource. i'm kind of a curmudgeon and generally just wait for the EOY results to catch up on what i should have been adding to my playlists all year but maybe this will change.

typed most of that before forks's explanatory post. hrm. i guess it makes a LITTLE more sense to me now. like i don't want to dismiss people having misgivings or ambivalent feelings even though the wording of some of their reactions is kinda offputting to me. hmm.

― the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, February 3, 2016 8:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

all in all i v much appreciate the work forks has done w/ these playlists, thank you forks

Just to be clear I voted Not because I thought this was a joke thread and it seems some of you are actually taking it serious.

the "They" in the SomaFM case was random Spotify users, not anybody who works for Spotify, and thus exactly not an example of what you claim...

take it up with Rusty. the fact is Spotify is making money off of them while SomaFM is getting fucked out of money for the very same content due to recent royalty rulings the benefit Spotify and screw internet radio providers.

the = that

Feel like Lex's big victory wrt influencing ILM's taste was starting that Wut thread which consequently propelled the track to the top of the EOY poll. Now imagine he'd buried it several months deep in 'Rolling dance partisans 2010' or whatever. Rolling threads can be useful but they're no substitute for genuinely enthused threads on individual songs.

The best rolling threads tend to be ones that stem from discussions on one particular tune - like the entire UK funky thread growing out of one person ripping for Do You Mind.

is this a bad time to reveal that I am David Geffen?

I thought you were Damo Suzuki

Can't he be both? It's the 21st Century ffs.

As a total side comment/pro tip, the best approach to functionality in Youtube-heavy threads is to turn off "display images" in your preferences while you're browsing that particular thread

I feel like copy/pasting this entire thread to the LOLZ thread.

lol @ "numerously deprivileged individual"

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 4 February 2016 17:33 (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Certainly the worst genuinely-held opinion posited itt

cryptosicko i've had just about enough of your taking our hard-worked-upon commentary on this topic and listing it gutlessly for some lolz thread. i jsut don't get people who get their lolz from that thread, they lose the context and just have joekz spoonfed to them
xp

we're prob not deprivileged enough yet to appreciate it xp

Just a bit of fun, so let's be cool

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truly the impact of Wut has been felt through the years for us all.

i <3 lex and we overlap on taste as much or more than with most people (same for mattress, tbrr) but dude, your argument is based on an elitist "i understand how listening to music should be done" approach. None of us are doing it "wrong". We're all just listening. We all listen differently. Polarized dichotomies of Aristotelian TRUTH when it comes to means of engagement (and, god help us, perceived quality of art itself) are anathema to me and just about the worst thing about ILM.

Demanding that neophytes wade into notoriously partisan threads and voice their opinions is sometimes a good experience for all concerned. Other times, folks get browbeaten viciously. IIRC, deej went after you in the afrobeats thread when you (reasonably imo) said that you wanted to engage music in the genre mostly out of context as you didn't have the wherewithal to have an authentic on the ground relationship to it. In his opinion, you were doing it wrong. You thought you were doing it your way. We're all just doing it our way.

In short, we are not the most welcoming environment for lurkers! Folks notoriously love to start fights about dumb shit on ILM for the lulz (I had an example I was gonna use here but i forgot what it was...). Demanding that anyone who enjoys the music must engage here ignores the possibility that maybe the social stress of such interaction may not be healthy, maybe they're sharing the music with their IRL friends and significant others (I do!) or using the newly discovered music to help support the artists in other real world arenas (we both do!). And not to call out a guy's real name on an ilx beef thread when shit gets heated but aren't you a regularly published music critic? Your method of enjoying and engaging music is probably as far removed from that of a truly casual listener as you can get... and there's a lot more of those out there than there are music critics. Casual listeners deserve respect too!

And as per your note on my own listening methods: what is the Singles Jukebox, to take a for instance we've both written for, but "listening to music as data dump," albeit one that is curated by people you respect? What is working on assignment but splicing your own interests and your editor's data dump into monetizable considerations?

I'm actually printing this whole thread out and having it screenprinted on a t-shirt like those crazy millenials are doing with Bee Movie

http://nymag.com/following/2016/02/heres-the-whole-script-of-bee-movie-on-a-shirt.html

I'm actually printing this whole thread out

ah, clusterfucks of yore

i miss the days of real ilx scandals like modest mickey trying to trick the entirety of ILM into incriminating themselves for copyright infringement, or luna pretending to be jenna jameson, or that time everyone thought drake and future finished at #3 in the albums poll.

Notable posters have included Momus,[2] Simon Reynolds, Philip Sherburne, Drew Daniel of Matmos and The Soft Pink Truth,[3] John Darnielle of The Mountain Goats,[4] Frank Kogan, Ned Raggett,[5] former The Wire editor Mark Sinker, Jenna Jameson,[6] former Village Voice music editor Chuck Eddy, Peter Chung (creator of Æon Flux), Fluxblog author Matthew Perpetua and Modest Mickey.[citation needed]

re that pitbull article my sympathies cannot help but lie w/ the dad who lost his son to a pitbull and not to these psychotic pro-pitbull types. what do u guys think - could ilx use a good pitbull clusterfuck?

i think we don't talk often enough about the fact that the guy who made aeon flux has his own board on ilx that he regularly answers anytime anyone posts something there.

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=59

Re: clusterfucks, I'm almost afraid to broach the subject, but did we ever get a ruling on is it okay to wash a hat in front of a baby y/n?

fun thread

The difference between this thread and the 2015 bobbins thread is vast.

― Matt DC, Thursday, February 4, 2016 12:06 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

From bobbins thread 2004:

(And if anyone wants to make a mix of all these and post it here, my thanks in advance.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:49 AM (11 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Anyway, what a crazy thread. I read it while listening to the rolling favorite tracks 2016 spotify list - wow, there's a LOT of good stuff there already! Thanks for all the helpful list Forks! And thanks to the other posters who make lists for the Acclaimed Music polls etc.

I would like to hear that playlist but is there like an overarching permission slip I can get signed or do I need to ask permission from each person involved and, if so, are gifts of respect a customary part of the permission-requesting procedure?

stick a fork in this thread it's done

so we're not cool with forks doing this, it's decided

No, he's definitely crossed the uncrossable line this time.

sometimes forks does things that push me out of my comfort zone, like making spotify playlists, but that's part of what makes him so sexy

Why does nobody ever talk about the cloves or the tofu?

fwiw I had fish & chips

cloves and tofu doesn't sound like a great combo but what do i know (nothing)

what a silly thread

Notable posters have included Momus,[2] Simon Reynolds, Philip Sherburne, Drew Daniel of Matmos and The Soft Pink Truth,[3] John Darnielle of The Mountain Goats,[4] Frank Kogan, Ned Raggett,[5] former The Wire editor Mark Sinker, Jenna Jameson,[6] former Village Voice music editor Chuck Eddy, Peter Chung (creator of Æon Flux), Fluxblog author Matthew Perpetua and Modest Mickey.[citation needed]
― ulysses

you forgot violin dude called Owen who plays with Arcade Fire and Grimes' boyfriend.

And myself, my claim to fame is I once gave Morgan Freeman a kiss on the cheek.

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Love when so-called poptimists trot out their important concerns about people listening to music inauthentically

Wait, did Jenna Jameson was really an ilxor poster? Where?

Matt kinda a dick itt everyone agrees but kudos to his display name *silver lining*