Are you cool with forks making Spotify playlists out of every rolling thread without permission?

Soup was good tho, not unlike some of our esteemed colleagues, a little salty. I'd look at the mix of my stock next time.

Voted no because forks' Spotify playlists don't give enough in-playlist attribution to ILX Rolling contributors, thus robbing thinkfluencing gatekeepers everywhere. For shame.

The playlists are an incredibly handy resource throughout the year for checking in on different genre pockets that might otherwise get left out, esp. for EOY stuff. Despite gripes earlier about adverse effects of playlisting the Rolling threads' contributions, I think having these playlists draws more people in to entering into / contributing to the discussions in the long term.

The playlist for the 50's poll was particularly fine.

And out of copyright...

nb none of the ppl ilx thinks are famous are yknow famous,love em all tho I may

― broderik f (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 February 2016 20:31 (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they only need to be famous enough to be allowed in a deadpool team

hey compupost: we got the ben frost show

one of the most ridiculous things about this shitfest: i would wager that a larger than average proportion of tracks from the bobbins thread(s) probably aren't even on spotify. relative to the other rolling threads. forks would know.

forks/ulysees, what threads are the least spotify-able?

maybe my clam is just more toxic elitist partisan thinking.

Thanking you for new dn.

wtf kev keller

lol, happy to be of service xp

xp to myself, i guess that was part of the objection, though, that it forcefully excludes non-spotify artists.

least spotify friendly are the bobbins, hip hop and k-pop threads but none of them end up with less than a 70% hit ratio by year's end. Grime might be the least of the bunch, that's more like 50% or so.

for R&B, Country, Pop, Shambhala, Indie Rock, and Global it's more like 90%+

good job you motherfuckers ruined Black History Month already

wow 70% that's pretty good

Forks' patience in digging up things in Cyrillic for the Eastern Europe thread is admirable.

forks, are you doing this all manually? (apologies if methodology was already explained)

what i really like about this poll is the phrase "without permission," as though you have like a copyright in the posting of a youtube to a thread that can only be waived by your express agreement. i imagine it's hard af to make a living as a music writer and you gotta cling to whatever work product you can vaguely lay claim to, but come on, seriously?

think it was more a sense of "we are doing this fun thing" vs "we are doing this fun thing that automatically benefits or contributes to a thing we don't like and that diminishes the fun for us" than a claim to property

xp to Sufjan: yeah, sadly I am.

I can take a crack at a python script if you're interested

I'm tech stupid but sure! The major problems with something that would just crawl the page and automatically add to a playlist are that people misspell names and song titles all the time. And so does Spotify! And any other service as well. I do a lot of hunting around to find things that don't show up where they should. But anything that would narrow the gap!

A plug-in or applet or whatever the fuck that could pull all the music on a page by name seems like something that would catch on big if it was done right. This could be the next hipster puppies ILX success story. Call it "forks" and buy me dinner and I'll give you permission.

that app would have to ask for permission before collecting the music

xp yeah, it would only work for ilx and would miss things. I'd just modify the really bad script I use to count # of posts in an ilx thread and learn one of the python libraries for spotify out there. no guarantees. will definitely call it forks.py if I get around to it.

for the record i don't use spotify because i decided many years ago that i would never pay to steal. it's a shitty moral principle and i wouldn't dream of trying to enforce it on anyone else, but it's the only one i have, and i'm not giving it up.

i use free spotify when i do use it, which saves me hundreds of cents. i have this one ad memorized unfortunately..

"so i, uh, well...i just wanted to say, you know, the thing is...i was kind of wondering if you wanted to..."
*"sexy" guitar jam*

FWIW, this objection makes no sense in either direction. Spotify gets all its music from legal rights-holders who send it to us, and pays royalties for all plays once we get it. We no more "steal" music than Amazon steals books. Also, you can use Spotify for free (that is, by allowing yourself to be advertised to).

(You can argue about whether we pay enough, or pay the right way, or various other things. But there's no meaningful sense in which we steal anything.)

And, just to be clear, the same applies to Apple Music and Google Play, and I assume to Deezer and Rhapsody and Amazon. It's not a Spotify-specific point.

Non-on-demand services like Pandora are different, as are user-uploading services like YouTube and Soundcloud.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6828092/spotify-class-action-royalties-david-lowery-cracker-150-million

altho

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160101/01203133219/understanding-david-lowerys-lawsuit-against-spotify-insanity-music-licensing.shtml

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/03/how-much-musicians-make-spotify-itunes-youtube

this thread eventually got nice and loose and lolsy, but man, if we're gonna just do a straight rehash of the spotify thread then it really is time to lock it imo.

Also discussed here Stop Thinking of Yourself as a Good Person: The Ethics and Economics of Music Streaming

xp how could we ever do that w/o croup. how could we do anything for that matter.

The lawsuits are one of the only things I can't talk about, because lawyers. But nothing about them contradicts what I said above.

And if there are any helpful Apple or Google people on the thread, who know all the same information but aren't currently being sued, feel free to jump in and answer questions.

"i imagine it's hard af to make a living as a music writer"

Well, see, heres the thing

There was a point way back on ILX (I dunno, 8? 12? years ago) when one user was constantly starting one type of thread and it sorta bugged me -- like, "why is [said person] *always* doing that? ugh. so annoying. wahh."

Then I guess I kinda grew up. I was being dumb.

Some people use the internet differently than I do. It's okay.

Word on the street was that brodie was J Jameson's sock account

Getting off?

Notable posters have included Momus,[2] Simon Reynolds, Philip Sherburne, Drew Daniel of Matmos and The Soft Pink Truth,[3] John Darnielle of The Mountain Goats,[4] Frank Kogan, Ned Raggett,[5] former The Wire editor Mark Sinker, Jenna Jameson,[6] former Village Voice music editor Chuck Eddy, Peter Chung (creator of Æon Flux), Fluxblog author Matthew Perpetua and Modest Mickey.[citation needed]

Why you posting wiki trivia about http://www.thefedoralounge.com/ ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fNAiI2ZBsg

what i really like about this poll is the phrase "without permission," as though you have like a copyright in the posting of a youtube to a thread that can only be waived by your express agreement.
--een

otm

I understand that different people draw their moral boundaries with regards to living with the compromises inherent under capitalism in different places.

But it's strange to me that people would choose to demand a zero-tolerance approach to an imperfect tech provider such as Spotify.

And yet they do not choose to exercise a zero-tolerance approach to really seriously imperfect tech providers such as Amazon (Amazon of the tax avoidance, the union busting, the disregard for labour conditions) by... not reading or posting to ILX (we are still hosted on Amazon, yes? and I see their ad banners, often for really awful things, every morning until I log in.)

Thread starter is a bully, yes, and has repeatedly declared himself the self-appointed Tone Police for all of ILX like a human Tumblr GIF, which does not endear me to the thread or the principle. But "I'm going to pick on the easy targets, but never address the harder targets in which I am equally complicit" is not really a morally defensible position.

I'm with you up until the words "morally defensible position", because I just don't think we should hold the average person to high, I would almost argue perfectionist, moral standards. An ethics of convenience is inadequate for the purposes of evangelization, but to argue that such ethics are flatly unacceptable is a little puritan for my tastes.

OK, for "not a morally defensible position" substitute something a little more like "don't pretend you're not being just a little bit hypocritical while calling other people out for their hypocrisy, but hey, most people have to be a little bit hypocritical to function in the societies we exist in, we just pick different battles."

I'm trying and failing not to reach for the aphorism about "speck, eye, log", but.

Are you cool with polls attacking users in this community?

Are you?

No, I am not cool with polls attacking users in this community because I've been the focus of a few of them over the years. But I don't know if that was a specific question to me or not.

I'm tech stupid but sure! The major problems with something that would just crawl the page and automatically add to a playlist are that people misspell names and song titles all the time. And so does Spotify! And any other service as well. I do a lot of hunting around to find things that don't show up where they should. But anything that would narrow the gap!

A plug-in or applet or whatever the fuck that could pull all the music on a page by name seems like something that would catch on big if it was done right. This could be the next hipster puppies ILX success story. Call it "forks" and buy me dinner and I'll give you permission.

― ulysses, Thursday, 4 February 2016 21:52 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have a friend who's supposedly working on such an app at the moment by the way.