Are you cool with forks making Spotify playlists out of every rolling thread without permission?

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/03/how-much-musicians-make-spotify-itunes-youtube

this thread eventually got nice and loose and lolsy, but man, if we're gonna just do a straight rehash of the spotify thread then it really is time to lock it imo.

Also discussed here Stop Thinking of Yourself as a Good Person: The Ethics and Economics of Music Streaming

xp how could we ever do that w/o croup. how could we do anything for that matter.

The lawsuits are one of the only things I can't talk about, because lawyers. But nothing about them contradicts what I said above.

And if there are any helpful Apple or Google people on the thread, who know all the same information but aren't currently being sued, feel free to jump in and answer questions.

"i imagine it's hard af to make a living as a music writer"

Well, see, heres the thing

There was a point way back on ILX (I dunno, 8? 12? years ago) when one user was constantly starting one type of thread and it sorta bugged me -- like, "why is [said person] *always* doing that? ugh. so annoying. wahh."

Then I guess I kinda grew up. I was being dumb.

Some people use the internet differently than I do. It's okay.

Word on the street was that brodie was J Jameson's sock account

Getting off?

Notable posters have included Momus,[2] Simon Reynolds, Philip Sherburne, Drew Daniel of Matmos and The Soft Pink Truth,[3] John Darnielle of The Mountain Goats,[4] Frank Kogan, Ned Raggett,[5] former The Wire editor Mark Sinker, Jenna Jameson,[6] former Village Voice music editor Chuck Eddy, Peter Chung (creator of Æon Flux), Fluxblog author Matthew Perpetua and Modest Mickey.[citation needed]

Why you posting wiki trivia about http://www.thefedoralounge.com/ ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fNAiI2ZBsg

what i really like about this poll is the phrase "without permission," as though you have like a copyright in the posting of a youtube to a thread that can only be waived by your express agreement.
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I understand that different people draw their moral boundaries with regards to living with the compromises inherent under capitalism in different places.

But it's strange to me that people would choose to demand a zero-tolerance approach to an imperfect tech provider such as Spotify.

And yet they do not choose to exercise a zero-tolerance approach to really seriously imperfect tech providers such as Amazon (Amazon of the tax avoidance, the union busting, the disregard for labour conditions) by... not reading or posting to ILX (we are still hosted on Amazon, yes? and I see their ad banners, often for really awful things, every morning until I log in.)

Thread starter is a bully, yes, and has repeatedly declared himself the self-appointed Tone Police for all of ILX like a human Tumblr GIF, which does not endear me to the thread or the principle. But "I'm going to pick on the easy targets, but never address the harder targets in which I am equally complicit" is not really a morally defensible position.

I'm with you up until the words "morally defensible position", because I just don't think we should hold the average person to high, I would almost argue perfectionist, moral standards. An ethics of convenience is inadequate for the purposes of evangelization, but to argue that such ethics are flatly unacceptable is a little puritan for my tastes.

OK, for "not a morally defensible position" substitute something a little more like "don't pretend you're not being just a little bit hypocritical while calling other people out for their hypocrisy, but hey, most people have to be a little bit hypocritical to function in the societies we exist in, we just pick different battles."

I'm trying and failing not to reach for the aphorism about "speck, eye, log", but.

Are you cool with polls attacking users in this community?

Are you?

No, I am not cool with polls attacking users in this community because I've been the focus of a few of them over the years. But I don't know if that was a specific question to me or not.

I'm tech stupid but sure! The major problems with something that would just crawl the page and automatically add to a playlist are that people misspell names and song titles all the time. And so does Spotify! And any other service as well. I do a lot of hunting around to find things that don't show up where they should. But anything that would narrow the gap!

A plug-in or applet or whatever the fuck that could pull all the music on a page by name seems like something that would catch on big if it was done right. This could be the next hipster puppies ILX success story. Call it "forks" and buy me dinner and I'll give you permission.

― ulysses, Thursday, 4 February 2016 21:52 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have a friend who's supposedly working on such an app at the moment by the way.

Thread starter is a bully, yes

No, ime/o. And that's as close to a defence of him as you're going to get from me.

Citations not really needed, mind.

"OK, for "not a morally defensible position" substitute something a little more like "don't pretend you're not being just a little bit hypocritical while calling other people out for their hypocrisy, but hey, most people have to be a little bit hypocritical to function in the societies we exist in, we just pick different battles."

I'm trying and failing not to reach for the aphorism about "speck, eye, log", but."

Yeah, that I can agree with. I'm personally inclined to use the phrase "holier-than-thou" in this context.

dog latin, your friend did not ask me permission. i call backsies.

A plug-in or applet or whatever the fuck that could pull all the music on a page

i wrote a script for pulling the youtube links from ilx threads at one point. no idea where it is now tho.

i think some of the aversion to spotify is an aversion to listening to a database, and all the barely engaged listening facilitated by the vast playlists easily generated or accessed through it.

It’s lazy to pretend all private listening is the same; context shapes how you hear things, whether you're sitting down with expensive boutique label vinyl, sweating to a radio set on a treadmill or going for a nocturnal trip down a youtube hole.

I'm bemused by these playlists tho, outside of supreme indolence or an aversion to words idgi. if I’m not in a position to read a thread, there’s plenty of much better curated stuff out there. and how could the ilxness of it matter when it's shorn of ilxness?

I used to see the sort of blind listening encouraged by these aggregated lists of unknowns as like swimming around and seeing what i bumped into, but lots of excellent stuff can sound unappealing like that, randomly sequenced, & it skews towards magpie-listening

this goes down to how people use ILX and what they're looking for w music generally. whether you're just looking for grist for the mill or yr trying to hone or develop some sensitivity. do you want to hear more or hear better

how dare you fucking presume with what depth i or anyone else listens to a playlist you pretentious jerk

You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

ITT: unnecessary umbrage

Hey guys I'm back. You said we needed to get persimmons, right?

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woah for fucks sake guys

I know things are getting heated itt but impugning each others' playlist listening depth is not on

ogmor, you and i disagree on some integral points that i think i've already said my peace on but i did want to note that i like the phrase "going for a nocturnal trip down a youtube hole" and am singing it in my head to the tune of the end of "little bunny foo foo, hopping through the internet, going for a NOCturnal trip down a youtube hole"

think I just hit my record for FPs in a single thread

flopson OTM throughout

Keep up the good work forksclovetofulysses!

thread: http://i.imgur.com/PfUWww7.gifv

Very concerned here that I may be listening to music in the wrong way.

You haven't really ~experienced~ music unless you listen hanging upside down with all the blood rushing to your head

How dare you fucking second guess the way you listen to fucking music. Your music-listening style is fucking beautiful.

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One small point that i haven't made because it seemed obvious: barring some sort of moderator-level complaint that I have no reason to expect, i have no plans to stop doing this regardless of what this poll returns, so feel free to vote for the lulz or whatever.

Which is not to say I don't give a damn about how the community views or utilizes the project. I do! It's just that there were well over a hundred subscribers to most of each of last year's rolling genre playlists, so a clear plurality of people are finding some benefit or enjoyment in what I'm doing. If you have some sort of serious objection that i haven't addressed already in this thread (above and beyond "you're not doing it right" / 'this contributes to poor aural hygiene" / "you're making it too easy for the norms to learn to like acid house" / "Spotify is evil" / "why didn't you ask me how i FEEL"), I am open to being convinced otherwise.

Forks: Son, we live in a world that has music, and that music has to be organized into playlists. Who's gonna do it? You? You, mattresslessness? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for musicians, and you curse Spotify. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That the royalties issue, while *~~controversial~~*, probably led to more music purchases indirectly. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, leads to more music purchases. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me making those playlists, you need me on ILM. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of music streaming issues. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very playlists that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide them. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a pair of headphones, and listen. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Very concerned here that I may be listening to music in the wrong way.

― _Rudipherous_, Friday, February 5, 2016 1:22 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

for while i used to put earplugs in my ears and intently stare at the woofer of my speaker from across the room, i was young and had a lot to learn about listening to music

irl lols at nomar thank u

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don't call me son. I'm a ROLLING HARDMAN THREAD 2009, and you're under arrest, you son of a bitch.

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"COLONEL FORKS - DID YOU ORDER THE ROLLING AFROPOP/AFROBEAT 2015 PLAYLIST???????"

i wouldnt say listening is really a question of depth

or 'wrong' for that matter

it goes in your earholes (generally)

Music fits in all sorts of holes.