Are you cool with forks making Spotify playlists out of every rolling thread without permission?

that does not preclude attempt-to-find-good-in-everything xp

apols for violent language earlier, was a bit much and there's prob an interesting discussion to be had here

i also think the find-good-in-everything ideal of listening is v much at odds with how most music is made

there's prob an interesting discussion to be had here

You guys will argue about fucking anything huh

On a wider context ILM would be classified as "Open Collaboration"

Open Collaboration
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_collaboration
Open collaboration is a pattern of collaboration, innovation, and production.

In a 2009 paper, Riehle et al. define open collaboration as collaboration based on three principles of egalitarianism, meritocracy, and self-organization

open collaboration, anyone can contribute and anyone can freely partake in the fruits of sharing, which are produced by interacting participants who are loosely coordinated.

collaboration that is egalitarian (everyone can join, no principled or artificial barriers to participation exist), meritocratic (decisions and status are merit-based rather than imposed) and self-organizing (processes adapt to people rather than people adapt to pre-defined processes)

Definition of Open Collaboration

http://www.opensym.org/about-us/definition/
OpenSym is a shorthand for International Symposium on Open Collaboration,
OpenSym is the premier research and practitioner conference on open collaboration.

Open collaboration is collaboration that is

egalitarian (everyone can join, no principled or artificial barriers to participation exist),

meritocratic (decisions and status are merit-based rather than imposed) and

self-organizing (processes adapt to people rather than people adapt to pre-defined processes).

ogmor I feel like you're nitpicking just for the sake of the fact that this thread exists at all.

i do think the way you hear can/does change, even when you replay songs to yourself, and those big revelations when something clicks represent a broadening out and a respite from lonesome oblivion

i'm waiting for someone to pop in and point out that we're just rehashing poptimism vs rockism for the gazillionth time so why don't i just jump the gun and do that myself.

also, i <3 u djmartian, you have that unique style

those big revelations when something clicks represent a broadening out and a respite from lonesome oblivion

apols for violent language earlier, was a bit much

wait, you were serious? dag

those big revelations when something clicks represent a broadening out and a respite from lonesome oblivion

beautiful turn of phrase

this thread has expanded my (already ample) respect for forks, admirably rolling w the punches and positively engaging all over the place.

also forks i checked the post-fahey playlist in the name of science & you have a v inferior version of cripple creek on there. this https://open.spotify.com/track/28ybICjkSv7WJQoUMcRBmP is the right one even tho it is incorrectly tagged as being by john fahey

thanks art, that's nice to hear!

Ogmor, i switched them out. damn, that's fine geetar playing.

poptimism vs rockism for the gazillionth time

see also mahayana/therevada (great vehicle/little vehicle)

tale as old as time
song as old as rhyme
linda hamilton and ron perlman

I don't use spotify but I guess Royston Langdon from Spacehog works for them and I am a pretty big Spacehog fan, so.

Glenn, have you met Royston Langdon?

apols for violent language earlier, was a bit much
wait, you were serious? dag

― mookieproof, Friday, 5 February 2016 21:37 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Otm otm otm

Lj this is a low

Forks I have a question
Earlier today the #1 song on the top 77 tracks was there, for a minute
Now it isn't? Is this an IP thing? Why is Spotify being so ephemeral atm

:(

weak moment

pls forgive

plus, if nothing else, ogmor was starting the most interesting discussion in this benighted thread, even if his point was slightly haughty

cld never begrudge an imago

as always, dealing with the shadows in my own play pen, thinking through my own listening rather than being didactic per se

but haughty seems a step up from pretentious, I'll take it

Glenn when I saw Spacehog in the 90s Royston Langdon shook up a bottle of beer and then held it up like it was his dick and sprayed it all over. I hope he doesn't like those sorts of stunts in the office.

trying to find the good in all music seems like a very pointless and undiscerning goal to me. the logical end point is to enjoy everything, to flatten out your own tastes to encompass everyone else's? an aesthetic without hate is incomplete to me, you need to know what you stand against in art (and every other part of life) as well as what you'll go to bat for.

Now it isn't? Is this an IP thing? Why is Spotify being so ephemeral atm

― Worth Taking from Little Kid (Will M.), Saturday, February 6, 2016 8:51 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is a prime reason i would never rely on spotify for my principal listening fyi. it's not just incomplete but licensing and roll-out fuckery means that you can never necessarily rely on something being there when you want it.

an aesthetic without hate is incomplete to me, you need to know what you stand against in art

Ok Rollins

Purest lex

I just looked and Realiti (Demo) is still there.

I still use MP3s for things I like and want to access at all times, but Spotify has definitely become my main discovery engine - well that and mixes/podcasts.

Implicit in this thread is a tension between posters who fancy themselves as bringing recommendations to the table and those who are perceived as just skimming off the top. Most posters do both obviously, but it explains why people get huffy about other people not "putting the effort in".

I just made a playlist of the Afropop/Lisbon tracks that made the EOY poll, purely to troll this thread.

As a total side comment/pro tip, the best approach to functionality in Youtube-heavy threads is to turn off "display images" in your preferences while you're browsing that particular thread

― Chikan wa akan de. Zettai akan de. (Noodle Vague), Thursday, February 4, 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

#howIRoll - srsly tho', wonder if that could be a default option to then be switched on if the poster wants to.

I just listened to Anthony Braxton's 'Trio and Duet' and Anthony Child's 'Electronic Recordings from Maui Jungle v.1' back to back for no other reason than they fell alphabetically adjacent but they ended up informing each other in ways I couldn't have otherwise arranged or predicted. All revelations are valid. Any approach is meaningful. There is no spoon (feeding).

You are being spoon-fed by the alphabet.

maybe spotify should sort its streaming music autobiographically like john cusack in high fidelity

we can argue the correct ideology of aesthetic preference all we like, but my decisions are ultimately practical ones. i adopt pan-genre dilettantism because the musical aesthetic philosophy i was raised under, which is generally termed "rockism", is pretty untenable these days. i can't pretend that beck and jack white represent the apex of what music is capable of these days. maybe other people are still able to profess a coherent aesthetic philosophy, and if you can do it, well, go right ahead. but i can't.

trying to find the good in all music seems like a very pointless and undiscerning goal to me. the logical end point is to enjoy everything, to flatten out your own tastes to encompass everyone else's? an aesthetic without hate is incomplete to me, you need to know what you stand against in art (and every other part of life) as well as what you'll go to bat for.

finding the good is not the same as "flattening out your own tastes" &c, that's a false equivalency. an aesthetic without hate is a mature aesthetic that understands something about creativity; you probably won't ever arrive at such an aesthetic, but that's fine too - I still have an irrational hatred of mayonnaise, we've all got our crosses to bear

Lol you pompous, dishonest twat

I hate jazz, for what it's worth, but I don't think that makes me a better listener, nor that learning to appreciate it would render my aesthetic "incomplete". I'm not even sure I believe that's a thing, an incomplete aesthetic, but if it is a thing, I'm pretty sure learning to love things you currently hate is a movement towards more completeness, not less.

Everyone hates shit and articulating that is incredibly important to any sort of critical thought. Trying to enjoy everything is like rendering enjoyment meaningless

Trying to enjoy everything is like rendering enjoyment meaningless

I think there was a time in my life when I would have agreed with this in some visceral, defiant way, but at the moment it seems wildly and profoundly and patently wrong to me.

If I love X things and hate Y other things, you would grant that my love of the Xs is meaningful. And I can move some things from the Y group to the X group, and as long as there's still something left in the Y group, all my X loves are meaningful. But if I move the last thing from Y to X, it invalidates the meaning of all the meaningful loves in X that were meaningful one minute before? Do you really believe that the difference between my "really" enjoying "Delirious" and "not really" enjoying "Delirious" is whether I still hate jazz as I'm listening to it?

I don't believe that.

any schema of taste that requires "hate" to make sense or have some sort of validity is, i would've thought, pretty plainly juvenile

Glenn and JCLC otm.

hate is a strong word haha

Implicit in this thread is a tension between posters who fancy themselves as bringing recommendations to the table and those who are perceived as just skimming off the top. Most posters do both obviously, but it explains why people get huffy about other people not "putting the effort in".

tbh the one rolling thread I start and contribute to every year is full of stuff that i've skimmed off the top from elsewhere, which makes it even harder to draw a line

it's just weird and rigid to think of enjoyment as a zero sum game --- my dislike of idk bland country-pop doesn't free up spare enjoyment units to be spent on a few carly rae jepson songs or destroyer or w/e

this is absurdly basic. leaving aside the thornier issues surrounding enjoyment and end goals of listening to music, everyone listens with a negative awareness. the possibility of excellence requires the possibility of failure. if everything sounds glorious then our critical faculties are not required

man, i've got a LOT to say in response to that line of thinking lex and i will later on but i did want to say right now to will m:
the KING album came out yesterday, so I added the track that was missing on the countdown. That probably reordered your playlist somewhat. Everything is still there.
Spotify does occasionally drop songs from rights issues but i find it's rare and primarily centered on mixtape culture and contractual issues more than anything else (from a layperson's perspective, glenn could speak more about that). The service is exponentially better for retaining content than soundcloud or youtube though.

http://orig09.deviantart.net/f4d6/f/2012/220/0/0/i_love_everything_by_punkichi-d5aeb36.png

I used to derive some sort of pleasure from hating some music but decided I was too old to waste time on that at the ripe old age of 30. But now I find that my enjoyment of all music has been rendered meaningless. Can't believe I've been enjoying music the wrong way all these years

i think i could be characterized as someone who "loves everything" so i find half of this conversation really reductive. critically thinking about anything I react to poorly almost invariably causes me to appreciate it more

i'm off to the pottery studio (to work on, among other things, some Miguel 'Coffee' mugs), but here's a thought that occurred to me in the shower: as much as I enjoy a spirited discussion, the bump I'm most hoping for on this thread is mattress saying that he's started the soundcloud/youtube/what-have-you lists for the bobbins thread. That, more or less, would justify the existence of this thread for me.

To turn this idea around, it implies that if you love everything, you can become a better listener by learning to hate something you currently love. I feel like Ursula Le Guin already basically settled every argument of this form with The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas.

there are artists (and critics too) that are not worth spending time on bc the ways they execute their ideas are boring w/ poor mechanics but i find pretty much every genre has something to recommend it.