Are you cool with forks making Spotify playlists out of every rolling thread without permission?

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I used to derive some sort of pleasure from hating some music but decided I was too old to waste time on that at the ripe old age of 30. But now I find that my enjoyment of all music has been rendered meaningless. Can't believe I've been enjoying music the wrong way all these years

i think i could be characterized as someone who "loves everything" so i find half of this conversation really reductive. critically thinking about anything I react to poorly almost invariably causes me to appreciate it more

i'm off to the pottery studio (to work on, among other things, some Miguel 'Coffee' mugs), but here's a thought that occurred to me in the shower: as much as I enjoy a spirited discussion, the bump I'm most hoping for on this thread is mattress saying that he's started the soundcloud/youtube/what-have-you lists for the bobbins thread. That, more or less, would justify the existence of this thread for me.

To turn this idea around, it implies that if you love everything, you can become a better listener by learning to hate something you currently love. I feel like Ursula Le Guin already basically settled every argument of this form with The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas.

there are artists (and critics too) that are not worth spending time on bc the ways they execute their ideas are boring w/ poor mechanics but i find pretty much every genre has something to recommend it.

yeah, you can like lots of genres, or all of them, and still be discriminating within them w/r/t artists. but I'm sure not gonna go the Branwell/Interpol route of trying to make myself like something by listening repeatedly, I'm almost 50 and life is too short to waste time on music I don't click with after a reasonable effort.

weird to me that somebody who curates the "worst songs" playlist is seemingly being accused of trying to make people "like everything"

I think it's perfectly natural to hate a song or songs that you don't like and can't avoid. This seems less likely to happen as one ages and as the Internet provides more options.

To this point, we have a thing we're working on Spotify that finds the people who listen to a particular style, and then looks for the music that is most distinctively popular among those people. So, e.g., it finds the country music that real country fans are most into, as opposed to the most popular country music. I find that even in styles where I mostly hate the popular stuff, the insider stuff is always interesting. (Except jazz, which always sucks.) If you're interested, go to the Spotify profile for https://open.spotify.com/user/critical_masses and scroll down that account's public playlists to the ones called "__________ Discovery"...

also pretty weird that "enjoy" becomes kind of meaninglessly monolithic in the process. like there are lots of things i enjoy in different ways or different moods or to greater and lesser degrees. lots of stuff on my shelf that i like more and less than other things on my shelf, but i enjoy all of them or i wouldn't still have them. think there's plenty of range for critical thought in there without any of the things being 'hated' unless you're positing a really primitive manichean scheme where there is some singular, ultimate, best music, and all the records i have are greater or lesser distances from this pure shining thing. but that's absurd and doesn't lend itself to very interesting criticism anyway ("this album is a 453,600 out of one million, but it would have been 453,700 if the drums on track 8 came in a half-measure later").

and then additionally, the way i enjoy something on first listen, the way someone else is explaining that they enjoy it, the way the author enjoyed it or what they were going for - - - all these CAN overlap but they don't always.

also to muster "hate" meanwhile seems SO in excess of "i don't really dig this" or "i see why people like this but it's not my thing" and even "i really don't enjoy this on many levels, find it offensive, and don't ever want to hear it again" - - - - even the last seems very different from active "hate" a la buddy bradley, where it's something that exercises you when you're not even listening to it or something.

what does that mean that u don't like jazz? like you don't like any at all? no ella and louis?

lol glenn here are some ILX jazz playlists for your listening pleasure

http://open.spotify.com/user/wmcrump/playlist/1oGN61m0OimFiZqhxFb37F

http://open.spotify.com/user/bradcahoon/playlist/1R9iR2xYkZMXZnH8MNU0LG

http://open.spotify.com/user/swellsville/playlist/1hWfRrOTSn4uKyt0YB0hdV (this one is what made me get Spotify)

not gonna rag on you too hard abt yr jazz phobia cuz I think almost all metal sucks, to each their own

must say I didn't think "some things are bad" wld prove quite so controversial

yeah i thought "some things are aesthetically bad" had been proven by science by now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOkzgjW0B9M

Didn't that tosser Johnny hate jazz? Well anyway when people say they hate jazz, they often don't realise they are not telling the truth.

wait if science can't say if things are good or bad then that changes everything

In defense of lex, I think theres no one here who has gotten more out of "hate", ie a discriminating aesthetic sensibility, than lex. Obv he and I don't see eye-to-eye on many things but there's no question that he's been successful at taking a very specific viewpoint, including some staunchly-held political convictions, and translated that p much wholly into some v specific parameters about what constitutes as worthwhile. Which is why its weird that ppl are tripping all over themselves to provide the reducto ad absurdium to his post, when he's here everyday living out what he said. He's not forks, trying to comprehend the vast cosmos of musical endeavor, but he does alright: I totally think that if someone had only the ILX EOY polls as any indication, they would be surprised to find that there weren't more ppl on this board totally devoted to the kinds of causes that lex champions (though, really, there are still a lot)

Most music is offensive piercing antagonistic garbage, there is no good in it only pain. It is a concentrated attack on reverie, rendering work, travel and shopping nightmare experiences without headphones. A good record is able to restore some reverie, but this is the same door the anxiety enters through, the anxiety of 'last friday night' which i havent heard since the last time my colleague played it 4 months ago, but still has not dislodged the parasitic egg it put in my brain, to haunt me at night, over and over. This isnt fair, i dont ask to hear this, there is no good in it. I dont hate the creators, I'm just upset at the people who put this on in public places

I mean, 7 hours of garbage music blasted at you when you are trying to concentrate, that is psychological warfare. The only good in it is the off button

Oh, believe me, I have _lots_ of jazz playlists. I generate many of them myself. I have friends who like jazz. I'm not uninformed or unexposed. And yes, I am oversimplifying just a little bit. I like some dark jazz that isn't entirely not jazz. I like big-band/jazz-orchestral stuff pretty well. I sometimes like jazz fusion and jazz metal even where the jazz elements are evident. Colin Stetson is kind of jazz.

Hey glenn that ___discovery critical mass thing is really cool!

That probably reordered your playlist somewhat. Everything is still there.

I was actually only able to see Realiti Demo for, like, a day. So I just assumed it had been added to Spotify yesterday. But then when I clicked it, it was greyed out (but I could still play it) and it didn't appear on Grimes' artist page. It must have accidentally showed me music I wasn't allowed to access due to being Canadian or something. (ironic, because I live in fucking montreal???)

are you paying premium for the "No Grimes" service?

no, i can hear the inferior album version if i choose to :/

thinking about this further, i think there is a difference between approaching art as a creator and approaching art as a listener. for me, at least, doing creative work is about expressing my individual experience, but listening for me is intensely social, a way of connecting with other people. in a world that too often seems to be dominated by meaningless and petty hatreds, i see music as a powerful way of overcoming those divisions.

lex on lex

Lol you pompous, dishonest twat

listening for me is intensely social, a way of connecting with other people

I don't understand, do you mean other people as in other people around you while you're listening or as in the people who created the music?

other listeners, not creators. not necessarily listening at the same time in the same place, but people who know the songs and who are affected by the songs- developing the ability to relate in the same way to roughly identical stimuli helps me relate better to other people.

Thread got lolsy again

Unlike you ever will

^ makes a living from writing, folks.

kinda respect you backing yr typically vapid philosophy espoused upthread by making yrself such an easy hate figure (the better for others to follow the path, presumably?)

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Still mulling over my vote
Lots of issues to consider

village idiot and right-wing cunt darraghmac keeps speaking

stop

You gotta stop showing yr class so early in skirmishes sweetie

you gotta stop

you

And then? And then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfKXCaPvmrM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFyr49TwuiI

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Considering the only comprehensible argument against Forks's lists (anti-streaming) is precluded by the threads' use of YouTube, I'll just chalk this thread up to drunk posting and never click here again. Gotta avoid unnecessary brain hemorrhaging; Dr's orders.

Where did the man without the mattress go, anyway?

"Alice Cullen" on @Wikipedia: "She was MP for the Gorbals at the time of 'The Gorbals Vampire' incident in September 1954 when hundreds of schoolchildren went searching a cemetery armed with stakes to find 'a vampire with iron teeth'. This sparked legislation to prevent the sale of American horror comics to minors which she supported, along with all the other Glasgow MP's."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Cullen?wprov=sfti1

lol oops wrong clipboard

He asked lexicographer Susie Dent where the phrase "he's thinking of going to the mattresses", uttered in the film The Godfather, came from. Susie said the phrase means 'to go to war with a rival clan'. She explained that mattresses feature a lot in Italian folklore; in the 16th century, during times of war, people were said to hang mattresses down the sides of towers in order to minimise damage from cannon fire.

this is absurdly basic. leaving aside the thornier issues surrounding enjoyment and end goals of listening to music, everyone listens with a negative awareness. the possibility of excellence requires the possibility of failure. if everything sounds glorious then our critical faculties are not required

Ogmor OTM three times over.

Like I can see why Joan would view this differently to Lex (or specifically why performers/creators would approach the issue differently to fans/critics). But still, taking that to its extreme, who wants to be the guy stroking his chin in faux-magnanimity at the collective works of Rick Witter, going "hmmm, how can I meet the artist half way in what he was trying to achieve here, how can I better appreciate his no doubt numerous musical successes that I just need to understand to unlock?"

You see this from the fawning praise laid at the feet of transparently limited young bands under the guise of Supporting New Music, like where's the incentive for these bands to actually get good? Where's the balance for the legions of better bands missing out on coverage as a result?

On the other hand, aesthetics of hate tend to look worse and worse as you get older (if only because most writers are considerably worse at articulating why they hate things than why they love things). When you're young, it's charming, you're a part of it, it's your peer group, it matters. I'm sure there are loads of older people who fancy themselves as Mick Farron meets Pierre Boulez, bold ideologues fearlessly scything their way through reams of bad and aesthetically redundant music. In reality, they tend to turn out like Reynolds or Kulkarni, middle-aged men shaking their fists at the sky because music hasn't turned out the way it was supposed to.

" the guy stroking his chin in faux-magnanimity at the collective works of Rick Witter, going "hmmm, how can I meet the artist half way in what he was trying to achieve here"

lol about 90% of ILM there.