I'm sorry, but that Justin Timberlake track is garbage

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but 'Pop' was the track that made me go 'dam thats great production' when i was still more of the 'all this lot are evil' persuasion...this softened the blow of the impact of 'I'm A Slave 4 U' soon after tho that was still a real sensation because it heralded the age of teenpop sounding just as cool as the hip hop in the charts (because they shared the same producers) - for me anyway

― blueski, Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

'NSync had their moments ("Bye Bye Bye", "Gone", "Girlfriend", "It's Gonna Be Me" if I'm in the right mood and I've managed to skip Justin's verse), but Justin is just so WRONG on "Like I Love You" that I can't deal. He should leave the falsetto singing to Chris.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Bye Bye Bye"

EURGH. I stand by my contention that a great song for five seconds was ruined by the quavering jello voices that proceeded to slather themselves all over it. Assholes. And sorry Blueski, "Pop" is the sound of a band aiming for relevance and deserving to be kicked brutally for it. Eric Clapton would have done a better job. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

nothing should be left for Chris, now you made the wrong step Dan

― Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Chris is a much better falsettist than Justin (he kind of has to be, since that's his role in the group). I don't understand why the guys with the worst voices in Backstreet and 'NSync (Nick and Justin) are the most popular vocalists from both groups.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 17:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

''I don't understand why the guys with the worst voices in Backstreet and 'NSync (Nick and Justin) are the most popular vocalists from both groups''

THIS AIN'T ABT TECHNIQUE PUNK!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 18:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm looking forward to the album, the single is fine really, a touch unformed though, it doesn't really seem to get going - when is the chorus gonna kick in? Never? - but I like it enough. Not as much as 'Girfriend' I grant you, but for now, it'll do.
I haven't even seen he video, for what it's worth. In fact I never see videos. You rich kids and yer EmmTeeVees!

― DavidM (DavidM), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 18:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

i luv the album. the bootyshaker to ballad ratio is a bit too low for my taste but i've warmed up well to the slower songs. the music is mostly great and his voice is exactly the sort i like to hear in pop music. justified is not as undeniable as i'd hoped, though - i've only found a few of the songs in my head after listening to it a week: "last night", the timbaland tracks, "senorita", and "rock your body" in particular. the latter seems the most retro-mj to me and it had better be a single cuz the girl in it sounds hot. the video in my head looks nice.

as for "like i love you" - i still like hearing it a few times a day. maybe his voice is too much cut-up flash, though - too many changes/parts and not enough real quality - maybe... a four or five minute intro to an incomplete song? good enough for me. the album tracks go down a lot smoother.

― brian badword (badwords), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 23:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

did that last line sound as bad as i think? yes, i do want to make babies with j-tim...

― brian badword (badwords), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 23:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

"cry me a river" is real purty. listen to that gentle speak-n-spell rhythm giant warbling into nothingness at the end!

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

"but 'Pop' was the track that made me go 'dam thats great production' when i was still more of the 'all this lot are evil' persuasion...this softened the blow of the impact of 'I'm A Slave 4 U' soon after tho that was still a real sensation because it heralded the age of teenpop sounding just as cool as the hip hop in the charts (because they shared the same producers) - for me anyway"

This entire paragraph really depresses me. Sorry Blueski, but it does.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

why tim? cos you think i'm naive in saying that (in fact i shouldve said 'it heralded teenpop being perceived as just as cool as the hip hop in the charts by the general zeitgeist/media) or because the Neptunes are prepared to produce pop for papes in their quest for greatness and you consider that a lack of integrity?

its not like i went and bought or downloaded 'Pop' anyway - i have no desire to own and listen to that or 'Like I Love You' but i see it on TV and hear it on radio and it doesnt piss me off (well the latter does cos of that screechy falsetto), its more likely to make me nod my head and tap my foot or something - this is purely down to the Neps production skills as i dont get anything else out of the songs (i.e. the lyrics and messages mean shit to me)

― blueski, Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

oop, i should point out i know the Neptunes didnt produce pop...can someone confirm it was Brian Transeau (which is even more amazing) as i heard?

― blueski, Thursday, 31 October 2002 15:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

The lyrics and the messages always mean shit to me.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 31 October 2002 15:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

(unless they stand out as being terrible)

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 31 October 2002 15:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

No Blueski - it's that you waited for BT and "I'm A Slave 4 U" to like pop. Did you hear nothing of value in any of Britney's earlier singles?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 31 October 2002 15:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

THIS AIN'T ABT TECHNIQUE PUNK!

Therein lies the problem. (On the plus side, this means that they're accelerating down the Joe Cocker/Rod Stewart path to vocal ruin, although hopefully without throat cancer.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 31 October 2002 15:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

you have to have a 'certain' amount of ability becuz the listening public can detect it.

but it doesn't matter if you haven't got amazing vocals.

don't see it as a problem.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 31 October 2002 15:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

i just realised the real reason for all the hate here for Like ILY is cos it sounds just like "The Blood" (*Dan bursts several blood vessels*)

― zebedee, Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Or, Ronan, if they are real creepy, like in this song, and Craig David's new one.

― David H(owie) (David H(owie)), Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

It sounds like an incoherent, badly-mauled version of "The Blood" with screechier vocals. If you are a male singer and you screech more than ROBERT SMITH, you are doing something wrong.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

''If you are a male singer and you screech more than ROBERT SMITH, you are doing something wrong.''

dan- what do u think of keiji haino?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tim i didnt care for Britney or N Sync's stuff at all until the two aforementioned singles in question - but this idea that I waited for them to come out before liking pop is absurd. granted i'm still getting used to the idea that its not just kids, non-angst-ridden teenagers and kitsch gay guys who like that kinda thing (hey this was a big shock to me 3 years ago ;) but for fucks sake there's more to pop, even manufactured pop, then this kind of stuff - i still see a world of difference between them and the Pet Shop Boys, St Etienne and even Moloko (all of whom i've liked for years due to their ability to craft a quirky, catchy pop track if nothing else) yet they all qualify as pop music just as much Britney and co...and i still think that as a reserved and deep-thinking mid 20s white heterosexual male its hardly depressing if i find nothing of value in boy bands, pop queens and such generally - whats more, all the early Britney singles were as over-rated as fuck and she's got noticeably better in my opinion since finally putting out to Justin - so thar

― blueski, Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

by deep-thinking i mean i worry about impending nuclear war as well as pondering the merits of manufactured pop of course ;)

― blueski, Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

dan- what do u think of keiji haino?

Never heard him.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

The song needs a better singer than Justin - I like the suggestion of Usher although this might be too weird for him - but I'm still convinced it's a good song (proof: I try to sing along with Justin's wacky falsetto).

― Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 31 October 2002 18:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

quality aside, i was very disappointed when i finally heard the 'drums' part after all the bleating on that other thread. who did this do it for, again?

― Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 31 October 2002 18:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

should i stir up the ilx race tension of late by highlighting the word "white" (amongst other potentially troubling definitions of the pop/non-pop audience) in blueski's post? no i think i better not.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 31 October 2002 19:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Geeg: You are on on crack and so is yo mama. No disrespect intended.
Oh PUH LEEZ. Geeg doesn't need drugs as he gets off on the musique. heh. Obv it is CLASSIQUE: it's about Justin Timberlake begging his fans to let him grow up, like Michael Jackson when he was dancing Off The Wall. He's in control - "Drums!" - but at the same time he's fully aware he's placing his fate in his fans' hands. We (the fans and Justin) both need eachother. It's oh so meta-pop like "I'm a slave for you" was. And I quite ADORE Arto Lindsay though his last performance was a bit too *messy* (which alienated the attendants who had never heard of No New York).

― nathalie (nathalie), Thursday, 31 October 2002 19:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

it's about Justin Timberlake begging his fans to let him grow up

And thus the coke-fuelled downfall begins. Heh heh heh.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 October 2002 19:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

he smoked weed with Nelly = it's all over but the shouting

― Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 31 October 2002 21:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Something that struck me tonight - what if all that 11-year 66/77/88/99 cycle stuff was RIGHT and that gorgeous spangly teenpop WAS the big cyclical generation-shift thing "we" had been waiting for and that we muffed the signs (a la Silver Chair) and now it's all going horribly wrong...

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 1 November 2002 00:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ah, time to start reconstructing the golden age and selling it back to people, then. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 November 2002 18:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

ok... just saw JT perform this live on TRL and i must say the track is MUCH better live! he's got la funk guys as his band.. Fish Fisher from Fishbone on drums!

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 23:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

! On the one hand that's wonderful, on the other hand how does Fisher keep from sharpening his drumsticks and throwing them straight through Timberlake's shiny little heart?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 23:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

they seem to have a good relationship on stage. JT stands in front of Fish before each song and they laugh. on the "drums!" part he says "Fish.. break it down." then i blacked out.

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 00:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Good fuckin' Lord! Someone tell that guy who started the Fishbone thread a few days ago. He'll have a heart attack.

Still, I've heard of worse cases of "oh how the mighty have fallen." Paul Raven of Killing Joke actually had to play with Belinda Carlisle for a while (before re-joining the Joke, then quitting again, then joining Prong etc.)

Still, playing drums behind Justin Timberlake....who wasn't even a fetus when Fishbone's jaw-droping eponymous debut e.p. was released, is a sad, sad state of affairs indeed.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 00:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

The rest of the album is mostly better though Dan if you don't like his voice you still won't like it.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 00:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alex, i dont think its such a bad thing! Fish plays the hell out of the drums and works well with this new "crazy neptunes produced for live band" sound. I would love to play bass for JT. Those songs would be a blast! Fishbone was Res' back up band on her first album btw.

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 00:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

like whats the difference in Fish playing with JT or Flaming Lips playing with Beck or Tom Verlaine playing with Mathew Sweet or Jim O'rourke playing with SY or Dave Lombardo playing with Mike Patton?

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

"I would love to play bass for JT."

I'd like to hit JT with a bass.

"Fishbone was Res' back up band on her first album, btw."

Yeah, but Res can sing!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

"like whats the difference in Fish playing with JT or Flaming Lips playing with Beck or Tom Verlaine playing with Mathew Sweet or Jim
O'rourke playing with SY or Dave Lombardo playing with Mike Patton?"

Standards, Chaki. Playing with teen poppers like the reprehensable Justin Timberlake may help pay the electric bill, but it hardly enhances one's credibility.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

standards?! exactly! JT has raised his standards by playing with dope ass musicians where as Beck's standards are obviously lower!

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 05:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

JT has raised his standards by playing with dope ass musicians

Pity he still has the voice of a CASTRATED EUNUCH SUCKING HELIUM. Who is trying to be 'manly' to boot. DIE DIE DIE.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 06:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

ned, you've fallen into self-parody!

― boxcubed (boxcubed), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 06:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

a lot of hatorade is being drunk up in here. a lot of it.

― d k (d k), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 06:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think he's sexy. Now. And I never think boys are sexy. I think the way he sings is sexy in the way girls are usually sexy - 'I've only got one way to please you ...' - it's unusual for a boy.

― Hugo Retort, Wednesday, 6 November 2002 07:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Justin is a good singer and its good that he's trying to keep Michael Jackson alive in his voice and dancing, he's just like Usher another Michael Jackson wannabe, at least when Michael Jackson dies his legacy will live on between these two pop stars

― Quikmove, Wednesday, 6 November 2002 13:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does that mean that Usher will become white and Justins surgically modified to resemble a woman?

― Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 13:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

"surgically modified"? (I'm sorry, cheap shot.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 14:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

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