(and yes, I have heard both these statements and/or variations on them, it's not my reading anything in)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 12 March 2016 19:19 (eight years ago) link
condescension from editors, whether it's "these kids will click on anything" or "they won't care if it's good or not."
Since I'm mostly out of the field at this point (I don't even write for Alternative Press anymore - an outlet that I think really does respect its largely teenage, largely female readership - I'm mostly covering jazz now) I genuinely don't know whether the low quality of current music journalism is attributable to condescension-toward-audiences-presumed-dumb or to the writers and editors themselves being kinda dumb. (There are a lot of currently prominent music journalists and editors who I think are very bad at both thinking and writing.)
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Saturday, 12 March 2016 19:21 (eight years ago) link
It's probably fair to say that if The Conversation involves The 1975, you're probably better off walking away and looking for a different conversation.
― // 166,000 W A N K E R S // LOVE (Turrican), Saturday, 12 March 2016 19:48 (eight years ago) link
you never have!
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Saturday, 12 March 2016 20:30 (eight years ago) link
i don't think i would know the 1975 if they shook a stick at me. maybe i know them from the radio without knowing it.
― scott seward, Saturday, 12 March 2016 20:54 (eight years ago) link
#10 song in the nation right now. never heard of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWaRiD5ym74
― scott seward, Saturday, 12 March 2016 20:56 (eight years ago) link
okay, i have to hear these people:
DJ Snake Featuring Bipolar Sunshine
― scott seward, Saturday, 12 March 2016 20:58 (eight years ago) link
wait, i lied, that dnce song was on the hot 100 which isn't the same as the top ten i don't think.
― scott seward, Saturday, 12 March 2016 20:59 (eight years ago) link
maybe i'll write something about the hot 100. i've been looking for something to do.
― scott seward, Saturday, 12 March 2016 21:01 (eight years ago) link
the Hot 100 is the main singles chart, being on the top ten of that means "top ten in the nation" etc.
― ODD FUTURE WOLFGANG VAN HALEN ON BASS (some dude), Saturday, 12 March 2016 21:36 (eight years ago) link
i propose that "the conversation" be renamed to "the people punching each other in the face".
― diana krallice (rushomancy), Saturday, 12 March 2016 21:47 (eight years ago) link
that DNCE song is awesome btw
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 13 March 2016 00:06 (eight years ago) link
its like basement jaxx finally crosses over 20 years late
yeesh that times thing is embarrassing
― balls, Sunday, 13 March 2016 17:40 (eight years ago) link
that DNCE song is shitty btw and something like six months old
― ulysses, Monday, 14 March 2016 14:01 (eight years ago) link
I just don't understand how it can be possible to be so *on* all the time.
it's called 'faking it until you make it' (where the second 'it' in this case is word count)
― maura, Monday, 14 March 2016 14:53 (eight years ago) link
the dnce song is this year's hot chelle rae i.e. catchy but rather bad song that one imagines is only a hit b/c radio is desperate for something resembling a new artist even tho said artist will surely never have a hit again. i almost miss metro station.
― dyl, Monday, 14 March 2016 15:20 (eight years ago) link
"new" "artist"
one imagines it's only a hit because someone somewhere is invested in giving joe jonas a third(?) chance
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 14 March 2016 16:20 (eight years ago) link
that band floundered for months
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 14 March 2016 16:27 (eight years ago) link
would read
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 14 March 2016 16:31 (eight years ago) link
basement jaxx now is about 100x better than DNCEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPLE2Bo3T6M
― ulysses, Monday, 14 March 2016 16:39 (eight years ago) link
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, March 14, 2016 11:31 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Second
― thom yorke state of mind (voodoo chili), Monday, 14 March 2016 16:56 (eight years ago) link
xp Q doesn't sneer at pop fwiw. A lot of the key writers were and are ex-Smash Hits so the vibe has always been pro-pop as well as pro-old-man-bands. The current issue has The 1975 on the cover.
― impossible raver (Re-Make/Re-Model), Monday, 14 March 2016 18:29 (eight years ago) link
I'm well aware of how old the dnce song is and that it's a joe Jonas vehicle and that it's naff and shameless/tasteless and yet....it is great
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 14 March 2016 19:01 (eight years ago) link
I'd feel really sad if I thought you two were right—but that's mostly because I don't think of myself as "established." I think of myself as "old." Which actually puts me at a disadvantage in the market. There are writers I think of as established—Chuck Eddy, Rob Harvilla, Maura, Weingarten, Julianne Escobedo Shepherd, Jessica Hopper, plenty of others—but I definitely don't count myself among them.
on the emo tip, I actually, authentically, non-sarcastically appreciated seeing my name in this list considering not all that long a Ph1l didn't consider me established or w/e enough to be a part of the Marooned book
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 14 March 2016 19:23 (eight years ago) link
awww, emo puppy! let's all hug. you and phil are both nuts but you are OUR nuts.
― scott seward, Monday, 14 March 2016 19:42 (eight years ago) link
define...."thrilling"...
"For decades, indie rock bands like Built to Spill, Pavement, and Sonic Youth won critical and fan praise with their clever lyrics and distorted guitars. Those bands and their peers moved into thrilling new styles throughout the 1990s;"
http://www.mtv.com/news/2793656/rip-indie-rock/
― scott seward, Monday, 14 March 2016 21:23 (eight years ago) link
also, r.i.p. indie rock.
― scott seward, Monday, 14 March 2016 21:24 (eight years ago) link
also that quote makes it sound like those bands were around for decades and then got thrilling in the 90's. but maybe i can't read right.
"throughout" kind of fixes that misread, but yeah.
― Evan, Monday, 14 March 2016 21:26 (eight years ago) link
that thing also doesn't have anything to do with being white until the last paragraph. which makes the title weird. i read the whole thing! i really gotta go home...
― scott seward, Monday, 14 March 2016 21:31 (eight years ago) link
Title is just clickbait I suspect.
― Evan, Monday, 14 March 2016 21:35 (eight years ago) link
pop music is tackling sexism and racism in profound ways? cool i guess i'll have to take your word on that, since you've provided literally no examples!
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 14 March 2016 21:47 (eight years ago) link
also kind of funny how an article on male supremacy in indie rock only offers one lyric from a female musician and it is “You’re less than me / I am nothing”
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 14 March 2016 21:48 (eight years ago) link
define..."new styles"...
― fact checking cuz, Monday, 14 March 2016 21:53 (eight years ago) link
Damn we had so much riding on the new Diiv and Porches albums
― robbie ca$hflo (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 March 2016 22:21 (eight years ago) link
is there really a band called porches?
― tylerw, Monday, 14 March 2016 22:37 (eight years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, March 14, 2016 9:27 AM (6 hours ago)
this is how long it takes for unestablished acts to climb pop radio playlists in today's age of ridiculously tight playlists. before long it'll be like country radio where it routinely takes over 6 months for a newer artist's single to rise to the level of exposure where ppl who only listen to radio on the drive home will hear it. w/ a song like "cake by the ocean" i wouldn't be surprised if they were expecting it to take until summer to break.
― dyl, Monday, 14 March 2016 22:43 (eight years ago) link
the torches of porches
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Monday, 14 March 2016 22:46 (eight years ago) link
The porches of the mystics
― robbie ca$hflo (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 March 2016 22:53 (eight years ago) link
now that's a good band name
― tylerw, Monday, 14 March 2016 22:55 (eight years ago) link
Chill, Jack Johnson style Sun City Girls cover band
― robbie ca$hflo (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 March 2016 23:14 (eight years ago) link
mtv finally takes a real stand on the music they only played at midnight on sundays because there was too many swv and brandy videos to play during the day
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 01:49 (eight years ago) link
But the key factor driving this concern isn’t, say, Spoon or Vampire Weekend crossing over to cultural ubiquity a few years ago
Most people in America have zero idea who these bands are
― robbie ca$hflo (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 03:51 (eight years ago) link
i wish swv and brandy were here
― ulysses, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 04:10 (eight years ago) link
Didn't Brandi have an album a couple years ago?
― robbie ca$hflo (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 12:04 (eight years ago) link
"It may be hard to remember now, but MTV started a national conversation on indie rock."
― Chris L, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 13:13 (eight years ago) link
I think there's a lot to like in that piece, actually, but that the headline (and the author's cosigning of same on Twitter) is pretty sad. like, you can't get anybody to read your piece unless you present it as DID HE REALLY SAY THAT? HE WENT THERE! etc
also, is there any safer piece to write than "the mainstream indie that you hear on NPR? I'm here to tell you it's not actually paradigm-shifting innovative music!"
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 13:31 (eight years ago) link
^^ this was my reaction. we're hanging the death of indie rock on a DIIV album and a Porches album?
― alpine static, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 13:51 (eight years ago) link
though I disagree that there's a lot to like in that piece. i don't think there's a lot of anything in that piece. it feels very thin. which ... whatever. get paid, sir.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 13:52 (eight years ago) link