Outkast - Hey Ya

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You've mapped out all their tastes and history! They all listen to Flaming Lips and Outkast and they invented the term "wigga" and don't forget their plan to destroy the poor!

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

gosh, don't drag out that hitler strawman again!

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

That's the thing though; I don't think there's a unified opinion to this supposed "I have black friends" set. It's not like there's a unified I Have Black Friends Party platform or something! People say things for different reasons sometimes.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:28 (twenty years ago) link

most of my friends are asian

― JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:43 (twenty years ago) link

Momus is the Flaming Lips of the "I have friends who are Asian" set

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:45 (twenty years ago) link

yeah sorry ilm for casting doubt on anyones motivations for liking this truly shitty, shitty song, though i am still irked by all the 'outkast are the most important group in hiphop' and 'omg it sounds like indie rock...so innovative...' etc etc on the other thread, theres been like four or five threads specifically about this song that actively repulses me while so many great recent singles (and occasionally threads i start about them!!) are being ignored totally

well I don't think they're the most important group in hip-hop, and I've only heard it once and really didn't think it sounded like indie rock, but I did like it.

also probably no one will admit to being in this set.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

i have black friends

― JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:11 (twenty years ago) link

I like Hey Ya and I don't have any black friends at all.

― the ghastly fop, Friday, 19 September 2003 20:07 (twenty years ago) link

i don't have any black friends either :(

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 19 September 2003 21:34 (twenty years ago) link

Seriously, until I started coming to this board this whole idea of white indie anglophilia and hip hop being locked in some kind of struggle for the future of music never occured to me....I have always, since the first time I got hooked on MTV Raps with Fab 5 Freddy loved hip hop, and still do, but I just never thought it had to be mutually exclusive with me liking say Guided By Voices or something....

As for Outkast, I think they occaisionally are a little self-indulgent and perhaps critically overrated, but still I think Aquemini is a great album (and a real hip hop album)...I haven't heard the new one, but Trife I think you'd have to admit that at least early Outkast (Southernplayalistic) was pretty much straight up southern hip hop, and good at that.....

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 19 September 2003 22:00 (twenty years ago) link

No,it's a rap song all the way. It's just that when you watch the video it SEEMS like a rock song. It's just outkast being weird. It's got a bunch of weird spacey type little synthesiser sounds and weird little 80's type effects and shit in it too. It's not really a rock song,but it kinda appears like it is.I think mainly because of the guitar part and the video looks like some 60's rock shit.But nope,it's straight up rap. That's why I like outkast,can't think of anyone else who could pull it off. This new CD is a double CD and one cd is Big Boi's and one is Andre3000's,or at least that's what I heard. It's called Speakerboxxx/The Love Below. I like that song Big Boi has too "I like the way you move" the lyrics are fucking raw,his delivery is perfect. The chorous doesnt seem like it would fit the style of his verses but it does.Good beat too. Outkast stay doing something interesting.

― d k (d k), Saturday, 20 September 2003 00:42 (twenty years ago) link

this idea about Outkast's 'fanbase' is a complete load of bullshit if you ask me, it's like the notion that some black people sit around criticising this and that (probably even Outkast) for being 'too white' - what the fuck ever

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 20 September 2003 01:45 (twenty years ago) link

Saw both video's (Andre's and Big Boi's) the other night on MTV2's hip-hop countdown. (Andre was one notch below Big Boi.) I like BB's video better, because the bikini'ed girl has the best ass in all of pop culture right now

Aaaannnnndddd sexism.

We've got everything going here. Trife: what are some singles you think I should hear but am overlooking?

― David Allen, Saturday, 20 September 2003 02:40 (twenty years ago) link

Is it really sexist?

― d k (d k), Saturday, 20 September 2003 03:00 (twenty years ago) link

trife i see your point in a way but if the flaming lips HAD produced this song then i'd be happy coz they did something good again, and you wouldn't even care either way.

i don't think real hip-hop is in any danger of ALL going the way of dre, nor sadly do i think that there's any real chance that the indie kids are gonna start to like real hip-hop en masse except in a "ironic" (ne blackface) way anyway.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 20 September 2003 04:18 (twenty years ago) link

http://gaia.ecs.csus.edu/~sturdevk/ares/jpg/gods1.jpg

― amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 20 September 2003 04:56 (twenty years ago) link

I see this song in the same way I see the country stuff on the new Bubba Sparxxx CD - a sort of intersection between hip-hop's general confidence in being the biggest/best music on the planet and the wishes of individual producers to goof around a bit. And the former means that the latter can't have any particularly bad effect. Like Sterling says if "Hey Ya" was indie rock it would be good indie rock - it has a better beat and better lines than any of this skiffle-y stuff usually does.

― Tom (Groke), Saturday, 20 September 2003 07:16 (twenty years ago) link

I can't really think of any recent indie rock as straightforwardly sincerely sexual as "hey ya" either

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 20 September 2003 07:28 (twenty years ago) link

>Aaaannnnndddd sexism.

The girl's only in the video because she's got a great ass. If there was another reason for her presence, she would be facing the camera, instead of pointing her ass at it every time she's seen. So how is appreciating that ass sexist? Should I instead have called her out for her superb delivery of the two lines of dialogue the director gave her?

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 20 September 2003 13:28 (twenty years ago) link

I like that it's in like 11/4, but I'm pretty much a sucker for weird time signature stuff in pop songs. I'm not sure if I like much else about it, though.

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 20 September 2003 13:35 (twenty years ago) link

i have a black nephew. does that count?

― nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 20 September 2003 15:11 (twenty years ago) link

It's not in 11/4; if it's in any regular time signature, it's 20/4. It's more like 3 measures of 4/4 + 1 of 2/4 + 2 of 4/4

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 20 September 2003 15:33 (twenty years ago) link

well yeah, you added it up right, but that still comes out to 11 half measures in total, whatever you want to call that.

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 20 September 2003 15:55 (twenty years ago) link

Math-rap rules!

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 20 September 2003 19:57 (twenty years ago) link

except he's not rapping. but for real, mainstream rap + odd time signatures would seriously be my dream music.

― Al (sitcom), Sunday, 21 September 2003 05:16 (twenty years ago) link

How about a Twista/Don Caballero collabo!

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 21 September 2003 23:36 (twenty years ago) link

no.

― Al (sitcom), Sunday, 21 September 2003 23:42 (twenty years ago) link

I read a swipe of some article online where Dre was saying that he's sick of rapping, that he's been bumping Coltrane in his car and thinking about chilling out and going to music school, studying jazz and playing saxophone. Yeah.

I can totally understand feeling like that, but I fear the Andre 3000 Quartet album.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:02 (twenty years ago) link

that's not such a leap to make, there's already an octet of Andre's in the video.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 22 September 2003 18:57 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...

sorry, but I love the song too.

― dan carstens, Saturday, 13 December 2003 20:05 (twenty years ago) link

Damn straight.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 13 December 2003 20:14 (twenty years ago) link

If this doesn't beat "In da Club" in Pazz and Jop, there's no justice in the world. "Hey Ya" is without question the single of the year.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 06:25 (twenty years ago) link

the song is so amazingly rad it's hard to comprehend

― MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:06 (twenty years ago) link

Wow. You don't get much "rad" anymore. That's high praise.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:09 (twenty years ago) link

Great name, man!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:09 (twenty years ago) link

Indeed. Welcome, Mr. President.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:16 (twenty years ago) link

Kenan I certainly don't doubt for one minute that "Hey Ya" is your own personal favorite single of the year, but how can you call it a better single than "In Da Club"? By what criteria!? Do you think the "single of the year, without question" should have any other qualities to it besides you liking it?

― Brontosaurus, Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:20 (twenty years ago) link

Not really, but if I must qualify it -- there's more going on. More innovation. More hook. That chorus. Oh, man. "Shake it like a polaroid picture." See, I've shaken it lots of ways, even like a horny pony (had to do a lot of guessing on that one), but I never even THOUGHT to shake it like a polariod picture. That's some vicious shakin' right there.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:25 (twenty years ago) link

hey i still like 'hey ya' despite it's incredibly annoying unavoidability but 'more innovation'????????!!!!!!! what's remotely innovative about it?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:28 (twenty years ago) link

i really really really dispute the 'more going on' part also, but anyways

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:29 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, come on! Acoustic guitar, drums, and handclaps drive the whole song. It's so simultaneously spare and generous, it's positively Prince-like. And even a little bit brave.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:31 (twenty years ago) link

thank you Blount! but also, innovation as criteria for a great single ("single of the year" even) ? Kenan are you one of those guys who plays Squarepusher at parties??

― Brontosaurus, Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:32 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not sure what that means, but no. Also, what makes you think I'm offering a definitive opinion? I'm flattered, but really.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:34 (twenty years ago) link

also, I'd dispute that merely having a sung chorus means "more hook" in 2003

― Brontosaurus, Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:35 (twenty years ago) link

acoustic guitars!!!! holy shit - why didn't we think of this before!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:35 (twenty years ago) link

Hey kenan, I think he just called you a C0RNY 1ND13 FUXXXOR!!!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:35 (twenty years ago) link

It's got hook all over the place! The verses, the chorus, AND the coda! Hooks to spare!

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:36 (twenty years ago) link

the guitar in 'in da club' is PROFOUNDLY more 'innovative' than the guitar in 'hey ya'

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:37 (twenty years ago) link

Whew, I forgot this thread was old, I thought Trife was back. Thank christ.

single of the year!

― Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:37 (twenty years ago) link

Blount, are you arguing this because you think "In Da Club" is a better song, or because you don't think much of "Hey Ya"?

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 07:39 (twenty years ago) link

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