Y'know, for some reason this new track feels like an edited down version of something longer. I wouldn't be surprised if there turned out to be a much longer version of it. I agree that it sounds very demo-like too.
― But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Friday, 13 May 2016 22:28 (eight years ago) link
lol at eyeball kicks' pic in that thread. no way those dudes are wearing properly fitted shoes
― dynamicinterface, Friday, 13 May 2016 23:35 (eight years ago) link
Also sounds like an edit to me. Concise solidarity/good vibes number, musically it's in the vein of the first half of 'Standing Here,' but obv more energetic. I like it.
― jaywbabcock, Friday, 13 May 2016 23:56 (eight years ago) link
dunno, my position here is that I could make an album with 12 songs as good as that 1st album.timing, of course, is the essence. Also, they did it, I did not.― Mark G, Friday, May 13, 2016 1:19 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Lol this is all time, wow
― rockpalast '82 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 14 May 2016 00:27 (eight years ago) link
all-time wrong.
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Saturday, 14 May 2016 00:52 (eight years ago) link
not defending the band ever, just wrong.
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Saturday, 14 May 2016 00:54 (eight years ago) link
My problem with All For One (All Bore One amirite) is that it feels so obvious. Like an Oasis demo, my wife said. What I love about the first album and the early stuff in general is the sense of menace and unpredictability. Their songs went in weird directions. They had real chemistry as a band, which I think just dissipated in all the years of not making records.
― A nationally known air show announcer/personality (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 14 May 2016 03:51 (eight years ago) link
Like even on "Sally Cinnamon," the bridge gets all jagged, "Your eyes are gazing back from every little piece of glass," and then there's a whole raucous outro. The timing and dynamics are so fluid.
― A nationally known air show announcer/personality (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 14 May 2016 03:59 (eight years ago) link
Awful One.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 14 May 2016 05:35 (eight years ago) link
Standing Here is one of the tunes I immediately went to as contrast for why the new one is so bad! The drums are so supple and swinging, Squire's guitar is constantly varying from bar to bar, the melody goes in all sorts of directions. This just repeats repeats repeats, and not in a good way, in a horrible Stock Aitken Waterman 'open with the chorus three times' pub rock way.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 14 May 2016 05:38 (eight years ago) link
you leave SAW out of this son
― a poptimist consumed with celebrity culture and vacuous pop music (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 14 May 2016 07:11 (eight years ago) link
TBH if I was guaranteed fawning adulation regardless of quality I probably wouldn't make much of an effort either.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 14 May 2016 08:30 (eight years ago) link
Good morning.
I made a fairly obscure point last night.
Sorry if it upset people who like the stone roses mor than they realise.
Short version: I did say 'could'
Long version maybe later, its the weekend and the sun is out.
― Mark G, Saturday, 14 May 2016 08:58 (eight years ago) link
People that possess more musical potential than The Stone Roses ever did:
Mark G and his washboardMy Pissed up dad playing his dusty old accordionMc Smilie freestyling outside Huddersfield job centre
― calzino, Saturday, 14 May 2016 09:13 (eight years ago) link
diehard fans will probably force themselves to love it
Yup - this from a friend on FB
St_____ Mc________
Having listened to the new Stone Roses song constantly for the last 24 hours, I can honestly say it is quite possibly the best thing I've heard in the last 21 years.
― a goon shaped fule (onimo), Saturday, 14 May 2016 12:14 (eight years ago) link
haha. there's some absolute gold on Facebook.
― piscesx, Saturday, 14 May 2016 12:26 (eight years ago) link
Fool's Gold!
― But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Saturday, 14 May 2016 12:38 (eight years ago) link
John Leckie on what happened to their chemistry during the long layoff:
"I worked on the second album (The Second Coming) for over a year and for various reasons I didn't finish it with them. I left of my own choosing so it's not a case of would I have liked to have finished it — no I wouldn't; they'd changed from being a unit. That bond didn't exist between them."
(From a good interview in the Quietus, which may be linked elsewhere in this thread but here it is: http://thequietus.com/articles/02579-stone-roses-radiohead-producer-john-leckie-on-that-album-the-trouble-with-kids-these-days)
― A nationally known air show announcer/personality (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 14 May 2016 12:43 (eight years ago) link
The thing is, about half of Second Coming blows this track out of the water. It's been amazing to see the mixed reaction to this... it seems that most people that were arsed about it consider it a disappointment, and the rest are being comically angry about the negative reaction. I'm reading a lot of "What's with the negativity? This is the STONE FUCKING ROSES, and you're not, so shut the fuck up! This track will age like a fine wine!"
― But... could you imagine a formation in your lemonade? Ho! (Turrican), Saturday, 14 May 2016 15:30 (eight years ago) link
im kinda bored by it already. its a decent song but not amazing yet it couldve been so much worse. Im hoping the album version is longer and better
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 14 May 2016 15:33 (eight years ago) link
On a stereo at proper volume, sounds like the Who. Rock n roll. Swings plenty for me!
― jaywbabcock, Saturday, 14 May 2016 20:06 (eight years ago) link
hi
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Saturday, 14 May 2016 20:08 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, if he sings about being a wall a hundred more times and they throw in three more solos the song will really take off. Fingers crossed for that longer version.
― afriendlypioneer, Saturday, 14 May 2016 21:45 (eight years ago) link
Haha, Sleaford Mods dude is having it: "They wangled it I'm a victim" https://twitter.com/sleafordmods
― jaywbabcock, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 01:49 (eight years ago) link
I'm guessing this will go top ten in the 'nowadays meaningless' UK singles chart this Friday?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 06:48 (eight years ago) link
Played the debut album and a handful of the b-sides and singles surrounding it last night at record club. Given that there are two 40-something Mancunians in the party now it's baffling that we've never really spoken about them before.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 07:55 (eight years ago) link
Number 17
― Mark G, Friday, 20 May 2016 18:33 (eight years ago) link
seeing a lot of "let's see you do better" type defences of the song online. I thought Roses fans would be above that
― PaulTMA, Friday, 20 May 2016 19:01 (eight years ago) link
did you really? ha
― the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Friday, 20 May 2016 19:14 (eight years ago) link
actually can't think of a fanbase more likely to swallow any old load of turgid shit and get agro with detractors than roses obsessives
oasis
― Cosmic Slop, Friday, 20 May 2016 19:21 (eight years ago) link
ocean colour scene
most bands
plenty of oasis fans accept that later oasis is crap, probably partly because of the fact that noel is quite outspoken with how bad he thinks a lot of that material is.
stone roses have a mythical quality that oasis and ocs (lol, just not a relevant band at all) can't touch.
― the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Friday, 20 May 2016 19:26 (eight years ago) link
I'm more than happy to defend the first two Oasis albums and their assorted B-sides. They would have been thought of a lot more fondly in the long term if they'd split up after Knebworth, I think. I'll never be able to find it in me to defend Ocean Colour Scene, though.
― Turrican, Friday, 20 May 2016 20:15 (eight years ago) link
Likewise, I'm more than happy to defend the first Stone Roses album, quite a lot of Second Coming and the B-sides. I can't defend the new track at all.
― Turrican, Friday, 20 May 2016 20:16 (eight years ago) link
Still, I was listening to Turns Into Stone recently, and even though it's a compilation of non-LP singles, B-sides and assorted stuff, I actually think it's their best album - better than the debut, even. The thing is, all this stuff probably took them less time to write and record than anything else they've done, which says it all.
― Turrican, Friday, 20 May 2016 20:18 (eight years ago) link
the roses should have split after they released 'fool's gold' tbh
― (main prostitute from Game Of Thrones) (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 20 May 2016 20:47 (eight years ago) link
group suicide pact would have cemented their legacy
― (main prostitute from Game Of Thrones) (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 20 May 2016 20:48 (eight years ago) link
Dumpy's Rusty Nuts made the same mistake, they just keep chasing that magic.
― calzino, Friday, 20 May 2016 21:07 (eight years ago) link
DRN more relevant and enjoyable in 2016 tho tbf
― Noodle Vague, Friday, 20 May 2016 21:20 (eight years ago) link
It was pretty disrespectful of me to bring them up on this thread. I unreservedly apologise to all fans and members of DRN for doing so.
― calzino, Friday, 20 May 2016 21:40 (eight years ago) link
Fools Gold is so boring.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 21 May 2016 12:02 (eight years ago) link
that chart placing seems really low but stone roses fandom probably heavily intersects with the commercially unreliable 'vacant, distracted middle aged men who don't know what day of the week it is' demographic
― “bad” mothers, rebel mamas, and other radical/transgressive moms (nakhchivan), Saturday, 21 May 2016 14:53 (eight years ago) link
middle aged men don't buy individual tracks on itunes in any great number compared with you know, whoever buys Bieber or Drake this week. you can't get this on a CD single either (i'm guessing?). i'm not even sure if you *can* get it on a CD that it still then 'counts' toward the charts. it's also the reason rock is dead in the uk charts, it's the 'wait for the album to come out and buy it then' gang, while The Kids if they get it at all will get the album 'on vinyl'. i mean it even sounds weird; indie being bought as individual tracks on iTunes. i mean i wonder who does that?
― piscesx, Saturday, 21 May 2016 15:25 (eight years ago) link
No one because they can get it free on youtube
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 21 May 2016 15:42 (eight years ago) link
That's why. Also, the CD single is out next month.
― Mark G, Saturday, 21 May 2016 17:34 (eight years ago) link
― the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow)
I would have said Oasis would be the only competition but after seeing some of the deluded defenses for All For One and how some of their fans have taken the criticism so personally, I'd say this OTM. Someone who names them as his favourite band ever actually told me that he wasn't willing to argue with me as I had made my mind up about the song before I heard it which is one of the most hypocritical things anyone has ever said to me.
― Kitchen Person, Saturday, 21 May 2016 22:05 (eight years ago) link
I can think of quite a few bands other than The Stone Roses and Oasis whose fans would go into total "wahhhhhhh!" mode if you even dared to criticise their stuff. Critically acclaimed bands, too.
― Turrican, Saturday, 21 May 2016 22:15 (eight years ago) link
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 21 May 2016 22:38 (eight years ago) link