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Where have I heard Good Luck before? Is it getting heavy radio play/used as TV background music already?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 14:57 (twenty years ago) link

"No, I'm saying that the idea that the Neptunes shouldn't put out a compilation because their tracks are best heard in isolation, and putting a bunch of them together would highlight the fact that they do have a recognisable style, strikes me as a bit odd...."

Ben I think you're perhaps reading my argument to be more damning than it was intended to be. I don't think it's illegitimate to say that one of the more appealing aspects of The Neptunes is that they work across lots of different musical contexts, and that making "The Neptunes" the context can dilute this attribute slightly. When I say "releasing a compendium like Clones is a bad idea" I mean that it's bad insofar as it encourages accusations of repetitiveness.

Because everything on Clones is new it invites considerations of the album as a unified and complete body of work, something to be listened to from beginning to end. At this stage of the game listening to ten Neptunes tracks in one sitting, to my mind tends to ram home the similarities b/w each track, and indeed the similarities found in all of The Neptunes' work (nb. this is not a problem when dancing to ten Neptunes tracks in a row for the obvious reason, although I don't think Clones is necessarily suited to that).

If you actually listen to it like a compilation to be delved into a track or two at a time, it works much better. And yeah, it's very convenient to have all the songs rounded up on one cd!

"And In Search Of is so not overrated! I love that album (first version anyway)."

It's a great album, but I'm sick of people saying "The Neptunes better stop churning out identikit singles and start making their second N.E.R.D. masterpiece" - I mean wtf? What is the inherent qualitative difference?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 11 September 2003 02:57 (twenty years ago) link

stevem, you're the finest! And I mean that. I hate to think we have anything in common musically ;-) but this is threatening Richard X's albuym of the year supremacy, same as you.

I mean, 'Plug It In', 'Lucky Star', 'Good Luck', 'Cish Cash'...awww man, I'm a slave to the rhythm. Watch me dance to these anytime they get dropped in a club.

Barima (Barima), Sunday, 14 September 2003 18:54 (twenty years ago) link

Also, disappointed I missed a Justin/JC argument AGAIN.

Barima (Barima), Sunday, 14 September 2003 19:15 (twenty years ago) link

well the BPI complained to the ISP so needless to say the files in question have now been removed (although interestingly they only cited the first three tracks as having infringed copyright law).

so i do hope we all go and buy the album when it EVENTUALLY comes out so we may demonstrate that this method of distributing new music works to EVERYONE'S advantage. the album was uploaded because it was worth hearing thus worth owning. of course if you cannot afford to buy 'Kish Kash', you must delete the mp3s immediately or be forever damned by Jollyon Benn and his band of scheming robots (it's a dirty job but the RIAA says someone's gotta do it, if they want that cash handout)...

oh they're also sending out C&D e-mails to a number of 'bootleggers' seemingly at random requesting the takedown of material that samples copyright recordings. truly we have entered the end of days...

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 20 September 2003 20:43 (twenty years ago) link

they're also sending out C&D e-mails

I initially read this as 'classic or dud' e-mails.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 20 September 2003 20:50 (twenty years ago) link

haha! Kish Kash classic, BPI dud of course

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 20 September 2003 21:03 (twenty years ago) link

Basement Jaxx are on the front cover of the new Jockey Slut magazine
http://www.jockeyslut.com/index.html

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 25 September 2003 10:25 (twenty years ago) link

Spotted during my lunch break-'Lucky Star'/'Right Here's The Spot'/'Cish Cash' 12" sampler. 8 quid. Buy the album, fools.

Barima (Barima), Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:39 (twenty years ago) link

That suxors, steve.

Also, BJ on cover of next Mixmag and waiting on the Face to give BJ (haha) their 3rd-in-a-row cover story.

Barima (Barima), Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:40 (twenty years ago) link

This has been my "restored my faith in humanity" album of the year!

Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 25 September 2003 15:26 (twenty years ago) link

from Jockey Slut promotional e-mail:

album review:

BASEMENT JAXX
KISH KASH
(XL)
When Basement Jaxx exploded overground back in '99 they proclaimed their sound to be 'punk garage'. Couldn't call it that now, of course, for fear of confusing pallid teenagers in drainpipe jeans searching for an amphetamine guitar fix. And it seems unlikely, given the current musical climate, that any other 'dance' act will be leaping from the underground to the heart of the charts any time soon. The times they are a-changing - Basement Jaxx, thankfully, haven't.
'Kish Kash', you see, is instantly identifiable as being from their Brixton basement. There are the big singalong numbers like 'Good Luck' and the beats that get their weight through sounding like they've been deep fried in a greasy spoon rather than pumped up in the studio.
But as ever the only 'formula' at work here seems to be 'throw it at a wall', and 'Kish Kash' is another glorious mess of ideas that sticks rather than slides. Take 'Lucky Star', where bhangra samples and bashment basslines are stuffed together like clothes into an overflowing suitcase, whilst Dizzee Rascal bounces on top trying to keep the whole thing locked down. Getting the garage man of the moment on your album would look cynical were the Jaxx's street level affiliations not so solid, as would roping in Siouxsie Sioux so soon after electroclash has made the old dominatrix trendy again. But her appearance on 'Kish Kash', like Dizzee's moment, sounds utterly unforced - like a scuzzier progression from Peaches' on 'Rooty's 'Get Me Off', a track which still beats the current crop of electro-porn cuts into submission. Which is what 'Kish Kash' does to the glut of retro 'garage punk' - if you want real rock 'n' roll energy, remember which way round those two words should go.
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DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 25 September 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

Please complete this sentence:

"If I Ever Recover" sounds-an-awful-lot like "_______________" by _______________.

nader (nader), Friday, 26 September 2003 04:28 (twenty years ago) link

"too late" by "the streets"

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 26 September 2003 04:49 (twenty years ago) link

I was wondering whether I was the only person whether I was the only person thinking that.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 26 September 2003 08:14 (twenty years ago) link

Especially the original "Too Late" which is more vampish and less cloying than the one which ended up on the album.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 26 September 2003 11:51 (twenty years ago) link

there's a different original? damn, i like the cloying vampishness etc but i must find this...

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 26 September 2003 12:00 (twenty years ago) link

Wow, there might be a THIRD Streets song that I'll like????

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 September 2003 12:11 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not sure if I still have it sadly - it may have been lost in my big computer crash but I'll have to check when I go back to my parents.

Instead of the "Didn't know that it was over..." part the chorus consists of a sampled diva singing "Looking for something/It's too late/Won't you be a man?!?" in a pretty pissed-off manner (ie. it's Mike's girlfriend). Presumably changed due to clearance difficulties???

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 26 September 2003 12:19 (twenty years ago) link

i've got that on mindisc, and i can prob get it on cd come to think of it. it's from the promo that was circulating before the album came out.

imho it's nowhere near as good as the version on the finished album, though.

toby (tsg20), Friday, 26 September 2003 13:12 (twenty years ago) link

Many thanks for the sounds-an-awful-lot like ID. From the first moment I heard it, (particularly the intro of) "If I Ever Recover" sounded familiar and yet...

I wonder if software exists or is in R&D that could compare the sonic signatures of all your MP3s and identify songs that sound similar that perhaps hadn't occurred to you before.

I suppose it'd take some of the fun out of the research that happens when a Basement Jaxx track sounds awfully familiar and you can't quite place it, but isn't technology supposed to take the fun/mystery out of everything anyway?

Or maybe it's the software/tech that produces mash-ups, no? (Or could mass produce mash-ups?) Mind you I'm not advocating mass production - I just wonder if the software exists.

nader (nader), Friday, 26 September 2003 18:30 (twenty years ago) link

I still reckon Mr Fingers is a better comparison.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 26 September 2003 18:40 (twenty years ago) link

Me too.

Ben Williams, Friday, 26 September 2003 18:41 (twenty years ago) link

Any Mr. Fingers in particular or just Mr. Fingers in general (I am unfamiliar with the Man from F.I.N.G.E.R.S.)?

nader (nader), Friday, 26 September 2003 19:07 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, any of the soppy ballads like Closer and So Glad.

It's the music that's more like Fingers. I guess the fact that it's an English bloke singing is where the Streets come in (although I don't really hear the Streets--the Jaxx singer isn't rapping and he's not overplaying the accent... ;) but then I don't like the Streets that much and I haven't listened to them ages, so you should probably ignore me...)

Ben Williams, Friday, 26 September 2003 19:14 (twenty years ago) link

Yes the music, it's hi-hat city, that's where I thought the fingers comparison comes in. I like the Streets, I thought the vocal was a bit like Sting, haha.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 26 September 2003 19:17 (twenty years ago) link

haha thanks for ruining it for me, dickhead.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 September 2003 19:19 (twenty years ago) link

Come on, Sting's voice isn't that weak. (nb not a criticism)

Ben Williams, Friday, 26 September 2003 19:21 (twenty years ago) link

"it's about a boy stuck down a well, or someone ever recovering, or something"

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 26 September 2003 19:30 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I really don't get what's so great about this album. Sure it's got a crazy lot a different timbres and stuff on it, but I don't really see them doing anything with it. Dizzee Rascal's song made me really curious to hear his album (I intentionally listened to Kish Kash without looking at the song listing to see if Dizzee, who I'd yet to hear, would stick out and he totally did) and JC did a decent pop performance but I guess this album so far has been TOO "context of abundance" for me. It creates a context for a message that never comes (Though Dizzee came closest to delivering one). It's too background music for me. Though I didn't find it interminable in the way I found the last Daft Punk and Avalanches albums to be. It's more consistently listenable than Remedy but that's cuz Remedy starts blowin' on side two. Haven't heard Rooty yet (Though I like the two singles on it). I do plan to give this album a few more spins, but I really don't understand why all you technoids started cumming all over the screen when you heard it.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

it's good music for technoids to cum to

cumming technoid, Sunday, 19 October 2003 16:58 (twenty years ago) link

yeh it's a great shag. there's your fucking message.

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

haha. sounds thoroughly masturbatory to me.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:09 (twenty years ago) link

do you even like dance music, miccio?

mohammed abba (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

or electronic music? or what? that's a legit question.

mohammed abba (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

totally. hell, I even mention in that post that I like most of side one of Remedy and the two singles I've heard off Rooty.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:20 (twenty years ago) link

though I like that you said dance music in your first post and then asked electronic instead in the second. I think that's the problem right there.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

"Planet Rock" > "Trans-Europe Express"
Human League > Kraftwerk

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

jazz > new age
people > possessions

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:33 (twenty years ago) link

It's too background music for me

Are you being contrary or just posting after listening to 10 seconds of each track? A little from column a/little from column b?

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

There's definitely an ounce of contrariness in the sense that I wouldn't bother to post this if people hadn't been squealing about it's glory. But nothing from column b.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

I may just be too personality-driven in my musical tastes to appreciate IDM-style stuff the way most of you guys do. The three guys making jokes helped Paul's Boutique a lot, and unlike Basement Jaxx I don't feel that just ANY three guys would have been just as good.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:55 (twenty years ago) link

IDM?

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:18 (twenty years ago) link

If I take the name Intelligent Dance Music at face value Kish Kash totally qualifies, though I assume IDM doesn't mean anything more than alternative rock does (other than possibly an excuse to not be accessible).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:26 (twenty years ago) link

What's taking it at face value?

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:28 (twenty years ago) link

Holy shit, a techno fan asking me to explain terminology!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:33 (twenty years ago) link

The reviews for this record, with some exceptions, are all following the same script or something. A shitty script. "Y'know, Rooty was sooooooo overrated, hey, let's knock this one down a little to show the Jaxx are not gods." The the complaints about the density just shows why lotsa J-pop records would never get past the pigeonholing rag-writers in this country, there are far too many massive overgeneralisations about the album involving Prince, the number of guests is actually being used to argue against the album (annoying cause I agreed with Ronan (?) upthread about the 'anonymity' of Jaxx vocalists, plus the whole JC argument) and I could've ripped out the page when I found one reviewer whining about the lack of 'a step forward'. Wasn't it jess or stevem who recently said something about the pointlessness of looking for giant leaps and revolutions in music in this day and age?

(Barima in intolerance non-shocker)

Barima is pronounced 'Burma' or one of many female orgasmic sounds (Barima), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:35 (twenty years ago) link

so you're not going to explain Anthony? can we presume jess was right above and let you stop digging. your opinion's your opinion but it doesn't seem too informed.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:38 (twenty years ago) link

Pardon me for getting in the way there boys, but Anthony, are you taking IDM to mean 'sickening production skills, astounding studio mastery and impressive stereo mixing' or are you just perceiving a high concept in Kish Kash Ronan (and I) aren't getting?

(Most of the dance fans I know think IDM is a random, very meaningless and dumbass term, no 'fense)

Barima (Barima), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

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Barima (Barima), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:39 (twenty years ago) link


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