wait so ilx likes this? it just seems like the worst thing i've ever heard of
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 13 June 2016 22:02 (eight years ago) link
it's fucking great get on board
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 June 2016 22:02 (eight years ago) link
fight me xp
― Get Me Bodied (Extended Mix), Monday, 13 June 2016 23:25 (eight years ago) link
otm
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-h97V3O1jlLw/UQ_qKHtscqI/AAAAAAAAJrA/QNTG7Ebb5LU/s1600/tumblr_lxcv3hSIUo1qlll6ko1_500.png
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 00:53 (eight years ago) link
i'm not really interested in getting into it, i'll leave the thread and you can all enjoy it and i'll continue to watch clips of it on youtube and wonder what the fuck is wrong with everyone
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 02:02 (eight years ago) link
good idea, it was designed to be seen via mobile phone bootleg on youtube, so you're definitely getting a legit understanding of why it is bad and terrible
― glandular lansbury (sic), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 02:04 (eight years ago) link
also when you hate something it's smart and healthy to keep watching it over and over. you can prove how right you are, to yourself!
― glandular lansbury (sic), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 02:06 (eight years ago) link
I really really like Hamilton but don't like the lyrics Frederick B posted, so who do I fight?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 02:25 (eight years ago) link
lin
it's the sonnet he wrote as his Tony acceptance
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 02:31 (eight years ago) link
earnest note to morbs who prob doesnt care: complaining about historical accuracy wrt hamilton is missing the point.
it's like saying that les miz isnt an accurate portrayal of the french revolution to the ppl bawling at "I dreamed a dream"
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 02:36 (eight years ago) link
Oh that's why it didn't sound familiar!
Don't care for it but I mean obviously my standards for award acceptance speech are a lot lower than my standards for actual writing so I withdraw my objection. Lin lives to fight another day.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 02:52 (eight years ago) link
I'd go if this actually happens.
― rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 03:53 (eight years ago) link
it me
http://youtu.be/4mrN_Bx9H2Q
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 05:13 (eight years ago) link
It's not the best sonnet ever, it's really not even a sonnet, but he wrote it in a day, where he also had a lot of other things to do. So, like, points to him. I think the punctuation is off in what I quoted, btw. Or, I can't really get all the lines to make sense at once.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 10:46 (eight years ago) link
ilx takes a break from GoT teleplay workshopping to try out some Award Show poetry workshopping
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 12:00 (eight years ago) link
it's really not even a sonnet
― ejemplo (crüt), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 12:05 (eight years ago) link
Here's the link I took the transcription from: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/theatre/playwrights/the-english-poet-who-inspired-lin-manuel-mirandas-tonys-sonnet/ Even though it's kinda not strictly speaking their 'content', I should probably still have offered up the link. The writer argues, that it's a 'literary masterstroke', because the wrong way Miranda writes the sonnet is like some other poet, who wrote about love differently. So it's 'subversive' or something. Honestly, I think he just wrote 16 lines because it's easier, and he did it in one day.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 12:16 (eight years ago) link
It didn't help the form that LMM just started repeating "and love" in the middle of the poem
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 12:22 (eight years ago) link
But you know maybe he'll polish it up and read the revision when the adaptation wins an Oscar
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 12:23 (eight years ago) link
No no, you don't see, he repeated love because it's so important that it breaks the meter of the sonnet!
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 12:24 (eight years ago) link
more likely he did it because it made the audience whoop
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 12:24 (eight years ago) link
(I suspect that he got lost and repeated it a few times to many, though. We'll see. There's talk of using it on prints to raise money for charity, somehow, then we can see how it's supposed to read)
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 12:25 (eight years ago) link
And love cannot be killed or swept aside.I sing Vanessa's symphony; Eliza tells her story.Now fill the world with music, love, and pride.
scans a bit better than:
And love is love is love is love is love is love is love is love;Cannot be killed or swept aside.I sing Vanessa's symphony; Eliza tells her story.Now fill the world with music, love, and pride.
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 12:28 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, but:
This show is proof that history remembers.We live through times when hate and fear seem stronger.We rise and fall, and light from dying embersRemembrances that hope and love last longer.And love cannot be killed or swept aside.I sing Vanessa's symphony; Eliza tells her story.Now fill the world with music, love, and pride.
Seems quite lacking.
I suspect it's meant to be:
And love is love is love is love is love isLove cannot be killed or swept aside.I sing Vanessa's symphony; Eliza tells her story.Now fill the world with music, love, and pride.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 12:31 (eight years ago) link
We'll see. Or better: Poll!
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 12:32 (eight years ago) link
sometimes you guys really are the fucking worst
pull off the wings and peel away the layers and "well it's not really very good at all is it"
i mean fuckin god forbid it moves someone in its imperfect form
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 14:20 (eight years ago) link
It moved me! And not 'in spite of' but kinda because of it's imperfections. I love how spontaneous, how honest, how in the moment Lin-Manuel Miranda always is. He is one of my very big idols at the moment.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 15:53 (eight years ago) link
sorry, that was a pre-coffee rant lol
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 16:55 (eight years ago) link
I taught kids how to write sonnets last year and some went the lazy route of literally writing likedog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog friend friend friend friend friend friend friend friend friend friend frog frog frog frog frog frog frog frog frog frog end end end end end end end end end end end
so the "love is love is love is love" part made me giggle to myself a little for seeming at first to channel a lazy seventh graderbut in the end I think it worked and it's in the SMALL POWERFUL WORDS and STRENGTH THROUGH REPETITION categories
― that silly goose (Abbott), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 17:06 (eight years ago) link
also why am I not married to that romantical fucker
― the lava-staring club (Abbott), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 17:07 (eight years ago) link
i'd see this if it were possible for reg'lar humans to get/afford tix
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 17:08 (eight years ago) link
I have to live with it through cast recording like all us yokels in flyover country do w/Broadway
― the lava-staring club (Abbott), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 17:09 (eight years ago) link
me too
soundtrack is closest thing to seeing it most of us can get
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 18:23 (eight years ago) link
Veg, as i told j0rdan a couple weeks ago, only movies have soundtracks (protip)
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 18:27 (eight years ago) link
i'm not a pro but you know
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 18:28 (eight years ago) link
A copy of Burr is going for $2.76 in good condition on Amazon.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 18:29 (eight years ago) link
save yourselves the $500
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 18:30 (eight years ago) link
i bought it for $6
ok fine ORIGINAL BROADWAY CAST RECORDING jeez
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 18:35 (eight years ago) link
I am cool with you being moved by it and I have no issue with whether it exactly meets the sonnet form or not. My issue is that the words of this poem just kind of lie there, flat, dead, and preprocessed. It could have been written by anyone about anyone. It totally lacks the specificity that he nails in the play itself, where the characters feel like individual people who have real, particular feelings. No doubt Miranda loves the hell out of his wife but you wouldn't know it from this poem, is all I'm saying.
I don't know why I'm making a point of this, it's not really important, obviously it doesn't affect what I think of LMM as a writer, this is just something he tossed off.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 18:49 (eight years ago) link
http://www.playbill.com/article/watch-highlights-from-encores-modern-day-1776
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVuPC2gpA9w
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 18:56 (eight years ago) link
xpost
i want to let it go i really doi get we all dont like the same thingsbut at least watch him deliver ithttps://youtu.be/pi44405wMoI
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 18:57 (eight years ago) link
i think Hamilton lacking (for many, apparently) "authentic" rap is as irrelevant as the music for 1776 being diluted Gilbert & Sullivan / Broadway balladeering. It's popular theatre, ya know? One doesn't watch the movie (or subsequent pointless Broadway adaptation of) Victor/Victoria and expect Henry Mancini's songs to sound like actual Parisian cabaret tunes of the early '30s.
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 19:06 (eight years ago) link
agreed
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 19:17 (eight years ago) link
i think Hamilton lacking (for many, apparently) "authentic" rap is as irrelevant as the music for 1776 being diluted Gilbert & Sullivan / Broadway balladeering. It's popular theatre, ya know?
Agreed -- the first time I heard it I was like "wait, I thought this was gonna be hip-hop but it sounds like a Broadway musical" and then about 30 minutes later I was like "well yeah because it IS a Broadway musical and what's more it's the best Broadway musical I've heard in a really long time." But yeah. That is what it is and it's really awesome at being that.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 19:44 (eight years ago) link
yeah, it's def way more traditional in its style & structure than ppl would lead you to believe
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 20:18 (eight years ago) link
the dumbest stuff I've heard about Hamilton is from white rap bros about how this isn't "real hip hop" so therefore it's corny. Fuck yeah it's corny. Plus, how are Daveed Diggs parts not "authentic"? I was listening to clippng a few years before I knew what Hamilton was.
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 20:22 (eight years ago) link
my husband was kind of interested when i first brought it home & played it, but after a few songs he was like "ehhh, it still sounds super-broadway to me, i dont think i can hang"
months later i think he's still hoping for me to lose interest lol
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 20:34 (eight years ago) link
Mr Veg loves you in the extreme :)
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 20:38 (eight years ago) link
lol there's no better proof
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 21:14 (eight years ago) link
i think Hamilton lacking (for many, apparently) "authentic" rap is as irrelevant as the music for 1776 being diluted Gilbert & Sullivan / Broadway balladeering.
― Get Me Bodied (Extended Mix), Tuesday, 14 June 2016 21:31 (eight years ago) link