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"too late" by "the streets"

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 26 September 2003 04:49 (twenty years ago) link

I was wondering whether I was the only person whether I was the only person thinking that.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 26 September 2003 08:14 (twenty years ago) link

Especially the original "Too Late" which is more vampish and less cloying than the one which ended up on the album.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 26 September 2003 11:51 (twenty years ago) link

there's a different original? damn, i like the cloying vampishness etc but i must find this...

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 26 September 2003 12:00 (twenty years ago) link

Wow, there might be a THIRD Streets song that I'll like????

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 September 2003 12:11 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not sure if I still have it sadly - it may have been lost in my big computer crash but I'll have to check when I go back to my parents.

Instead of the "Didn't know that it was over..." part the chorus consists of a sampled diva singing "Looking for something/It's too late/Won't you be a man?!?" in a pretty pissed-off manner (ie. it's Mike's girlfriend). Presumably changed due to clearance difficulties???

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 26 September 2003 12:19 (twenty years ago) link

i've got that on mindisc, and i can prob get it on cd come to think of it. it's from the promo that was circulating before the album came out.

imho it's nowhere near as good as the version on the finished album, though.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 26 September 2003 13:12 (twenty years ago) link

Many thanks for the sounds-an-awful-lot like ID. From the first moment I heard it, (particularly the intro of) "If I Ever Recover" sounded familiar and yet...

I wonder if software exists or is in R&D that could compare the sonic signatures of all your MP3s and identify songs that sound similar that perhaps hadn't occurred to you before.

I suppose it'd take some of the fun out of the research that happens when a Basement Jaxx track sounds awfully familiar and you can't quite place it, but isn't technology supposed to take the fun/mystery out of everything anyway?

Or maybe it's the software/tech that produces mash-ups, no? (Or could mass produce mash-ups?) Mind you I'm not advocating mass production - I just wonder if the software exists.

― nader (nader), Friday, 26 September 2003 18:30 (twenty years ago) link

I still reckon Mr Fingers is a better comparison.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 26 September 2003 18:40 (twenty years ago) link

Me too.

― Ben Williams, Friday, 26 September 2003 18:41 (twenty years ago) link

Any Mr. Fingers in particular or just Mr. Fingers in general (I am unfamiliar with the Man from F.I.N.G.E.R.S.)?

― nader (nader), Friday, 26 September 2003 19:07 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, any of the soppy ballads like Closer and So Glad.

It's the music that's more like Fingers. I guess the fact that it's an English bloke singing is where the Streets come in (although I don't really hear the Streets--the Jaxx singer isn't rapping and he's not overplaying the accent... ;) but then I don't like the Streets that much and I haven't listened to them ages, so you should probably ignore me...)

― Ben Williams, Friday, 26 September 2003 19:14 (twenty years ago) link

Yes the music, it's hi-hat city, that's where I thought the fingers comparison comes in. I like the Streets, I thought the vocal was a bit like Sting, haha.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 26 September 2003 19:17 (twenty years ago) link

haha thanks for ruining it for me, dickhead.

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 September 2003 19:19 (twenty years ago) link

Come on, Sting's voice isn't that weak. (nb not a criticism)

― Ben Williams, Friday, 26 September 2003 19:21 (twenty years ago) link

"it's about a boy stuck down a well, or someone ever recovering, or something"

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 26 September 2003 19:30 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I really don't get what's so great about this album. Sure it's got a crazy lot a different timbres and stuff on it, but I don't really see them doing anything with it. Dizzee Rascal's song made me really curious to hear his album (I intentionally listened to Kish Kash without looking at the song listing to see if Dizzee, who I'd yet to hear, would stick out and he totally did) and JC did a decent pop performance but I guess this album so far has been TOO "context of abundance" for me. It creates a context for a message that never comes (Though Dizzee came closest to delivering one). It's too background music for me. Though I didn't find it interminable in the way I found the last Daft Punk and Avalanches albums to be. It's more consistently listenable than Remedy but that's cuz Remedy starts blowin' on side two. Haven't heard Rooty yet (Though I like the two singles on it). I do plan to give this album a few more spins, but I really don't understand why all you technoids started cumming all over the screen when you heard it.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

it's good music for technoids to cum to

― cumming technoid, Sunday, 19 October 2003 16:58 (twenty years ago) link

yeh it's a great shag. there's your fucking message.

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

haha. sounds thoroughly masturbatory to me.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:09 (twenty years ago) link

do you even like dance music, miccio?

― mohammed abba (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

or electronic music? or what? that's a legit question.

― mohammed abba (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

totally. hell, I even mention in that post that I like most of side one of Remedy and the two singles I've heard off Rooty.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:20 (twenty years ago) link

though I like that you said dance music in your first post and then asked electronic instead in the second. I think that's the problem right there.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

"Planet Rock" > "Trans-Europe Express"
Human League > Kraftwerk

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

jazz > new age
people > possessions

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:33 (twenty years ago) link

It's too background music for me

Are you being contrary or just posting after listening to 10 seconds of each track? A little from column a/little from column b?

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

There's definitely an ounce of contrariness in the sense that I wouldn't bother to post this if people hadn't been squealing about it's glory. But nothing from column b.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

I may just be too personality-driven in my musical tastes to appreciate IDM-style stuff the way most of you guys do. The three guys making jokes helped Paul's Boutique a lot, and unlike Basement Jaxx I don't feel that just ANY three guys would have been just as good.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:55 (twenty years ago) link

IDM?

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:18 (twenty years ago) link

If I take the name Intelligent Dance Music at face value Kish Kash totally qualifies, though I assume IDM doesn't mean anything more than alternative rock does (other than possibly an excuse to not be accessible).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:26 (twenty years ago) link

What's taking it at face value?

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:28 (twenty years ago) link

Holy shit, a techno fan asking me to explain terminology!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:33 (twenty years ago) link

The reviews for this record, with some exceptions, are all following the same script or something. A shitty script. "Y'know, Rooty was sooooooo overrated, hey, let's knock this one down a little to show the Jaxx are not gods." The the complaints about the density just shows why lotsa J-pop records would never get past the pigeonholing rag-writers in this country, there are far too many massive overgeneralisations about the album involving Prince, the number of guests is actually being used to argue against the album (annoying cause I agreed with Ronan (?) upthread about the 'anonymity' of Jaxx vocalists, plus the whole JC argument) and I could've ripped out the page when I found one reviewer whining about the lack of 'a step forward'. Wasn't it jess or stevem who recently said something about the pointlessness of looking for giant leaps and revolutions in music in this day and age?

(Barima in intolerance non-shocker)

― Barima is pronounced 'Burma' or one of many female orgasmic sounds (Barima), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:35 (twenty years ago) link

so you're not going to explain Anthony? can we presume jess was right above and let you stop digging. your opinion's your opinion but it doesn't seem too informed.

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:38 (twenty years ago) link

Pardon me for getting in the way there boys, but Anthony, are you taking IDM to mean 'sickening production skills, astounding studio mastery and impressive stereo mixing' or are you just perceiving a high concept in Kish Kash Ronan (and I) aren't getting?

(Most of the dance fans I know think IDM is a random, very meaningless and dumbass term, no 'fense)

― Barima (Barima), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

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― Barima (Barima), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

I still like Remedy better! I suspect it will never be topped in mine heart!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:41 (twenty years ago) link

miccio wtf is that 'context of abundance' ism bs up there - them college books messin wit yo head boy!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:43 (twenty years ago) link

: ) - it's just 'oh great, another ilxor who I'm not gonna understand wtf they're saying half the time'

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

ie. SPEAK ENGLISH MUTHERFUKKER!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

Remedy is more the sort of music I like, ie house, but I think I can safely say I like Kish Kash better than any of the other albums now. I can't stop listening to If I Ever Recover and putting it on mixtapes. Dizzee single is only going to get even more fun as it breaks into the mainstream and fills some floors

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

I've been listening to Rooty on and off ('Breakaway' is my new fave song off that record), but I haven't found my way back to Remedy, despite 'Rendez-vu' being my Jaxx song for life. How wack am I?

Next single - 'Plug It In', round mid-January time?

― Barima (Barima), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:50 (twenty years ago) link

no Blount, just Koganisms.

Actually I was being a bit facetious when I referred to Basement Jaxx as IDM. I know they're not IDM because the D is actually valid. Taking the term at face value would be dance music that is "intelligent" and judging by the praise being heaped on the album, I'm surprised you'd take offense at my use of the term, Ronan. Besides, one doesn't have to have a Simon Reynolds glossary to understand whether music is moving you or not. Or to enjoy electronic or dance music. The only way my opinion could be cast aside as "uninformed" is if you're enjoying the album on some academic prog-type level, in which case my comment on this album being masturbatory would be dead-frikkin'-on.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:51 (twenty years ago) link

and to explain what I meant by "context of abundance." Kogan wrote this Disco Tex essay that everybody creams about where he talks about music where ANYTHING could happen (as opposed to say a Husker Du album where salsa couldn't possibly happen), this being a context of abundance. Kish Kash qualifies, but my problem is that it seems to be too busy reaffirming it's everythingness to actually say anything. Though may be I haven't been playing it loud enough to hear it say DANCE DANCE DANCE so I'll rectify that next time.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:54 (twenty years ago) link

typo in post before last. "heaped on the album, so I'm surprised"

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:55 (twenty years ago) link

FUCK. my typo explanation was wrong! there was no typo after all. sorry.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 19:57 (twenty years ago) link

I think there's an implication here that dance music is either intelligent or stupid, rather than good or bad. That good dance albums are "intelligent" and there's a remaining "rest" which aren't. That it's an either or, that exceptional in dance music is "not stupid/throwaway".

I also think you've no idea of the connotations of the term IDM, but that's less important.

Also I'm not really sure about this shit of "saying something", it's music for music's sake, like most worthwhile albums/singles, it doesn't have to "say" anything. That's our job.

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 19 October 2003 20:00 (twenty years ago) link

dude, I don't actually like the term IDM. Again, I was basically making a joke. and album has to tell us why it's worth listening to, critics just repeat what they hear. So far Kish Kash just says it's got a lotta crazy sounds on it, not a lot of grabbing hooks.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 19 October 2003 20:06 (twenty years ago) link

ok, that's fucking crazy. this album's all hooks.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 19 October 2003 20:07 (twenty years ago) link

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