Prog metal fans are very easily categorisable as stupid, and I say that as a fan of prog and metal
― imago, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:17 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, there's a lot of prog/metal/prog metal "genre experts" on RYM, it's true... but they're not the only genres that RYM is useful for getting deep into.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:19 (seven years ago) link
my latest thing with rym has been the lists. the thing tim f said about knowing four of the selections? there are so, so many user-generated lists like that. find a reasonably obscure record you like and see what lists it's on, instant discovery engine.
― a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:24 (seven years ago) link
I like RYM's genre charts a lot, I've found them very useful. And there's a lot of reviews for stuff you probably won't find elsewhere.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:25 (seven years ago) link
Basically, what I'm saying is that if flappy bird really was serious about discovering new music, that he'd really benefit from making full use of the data available on RYM or perusing many of the sites out there which feature hundreds of lists of albums. I would have also recommended the "recommendations" feature on last.fm before the site got redesigned and completely wrecked the feature, which is a bit of a shame.
I mean, it's cool that people like Hounds of Love and everything, but surely at this stage anyone who's ever found ILM or is posting here knows it's generally considered to be classic. Hats also, as much as I don't rate it, is hardly an obscure release - as far as I'm aware it's always been a critically acclaimed, well known release.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link
turrican do you really not get the difference between this thread and looking at RYM?
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:28 (seven years ago) link
sorry, i didn't mean to call the website "stupid", i just think it's stupid to treat it as some monolithic thing with its own 'taste'
― brimstead
two words: egyptian. shumba.
― a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:28 (seven years ago) link
(well actually i'm not sure "shumba" is an actual word. you get my point.)
― a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link
Jon not Jon: Yes, on RYM at least I can filter the majority of these well-worn records out. Else, it just looks like every other list of albums since ever.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:32 (seven years ago) link
RYM fucking rules
― frogbs, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:36 (seven years ago) link
"Orchestra Luna - s/t"
OMG you are best ilm poster and welcome in my record store any time.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:36 (seven years ago) link
RYM is great. Pretty much like Amazon reviews minus corrupt "featured" reviews. Lists, avg rating and genre-sorting are super informative and often helpful. The writing itself runs gamut from unreadable, to often better than you'll find at most professional music publications, esp for stuff that as mentioned, usually doesn't get written about. Music obsessives who know a ton about only one kind of music will write super-detailed reviews of super obscure records. Same with record collectors who go out of there way to hear everything -- does that mean I always agree w/their review? No, but who doesn't want an informed opinion?
And yeah, if you hang around long enough, you will notice people saying things like "RYM likes this a lot". Because the site emphasizes metrics and categorization, genres and "tastes" seem to evolve out of it. No, the site is not a monolithic music AI -- but it affects opinions and perspectives about music that wouldn't happen otherwise.
shit, two paragraphs means I actively tried to derail a thread
― Dominique, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:37 (seven years ago) link
last night I dreamed I was on the (blue) nile
― erudite beach boys fan (sheesh), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:37 (seven years ago) link
^^^ this is definitely the key
lots of top 20/weird genre-specific lists out there that randomly list albums I love, discovered so much weird and cool stuff that way
― frogbs, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:41 (seven years ago) link
Zaragon is still my hero and spirit animal after all these years. nobody else comes close:
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Zaragon/1972___four_digits_in_queue/
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Zaragon/1973___a_sound_you_gotta_see/
― scott seward, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:44 (seven years ago) link
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, October 5, 2016 4:32 PM (eleven minutes ago)
i think, uh, jon was referring to the social aspect of this thread/board, something that we all understand might be difficult for you to grasp
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:46 (seven years ago) link
^^^
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:47 (seven years ago) link
Here are my lists. https://rateyourmusic.com/list/lolvalstein/
― JacobSanders, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:49 (seven years ago) link
ILM is invaluable. Probably at least a dozen users here whose opinions and recommendations carry real weight. Weird to think about how many great albums I'd have missed out on without it.
What is RYM? Is it just amateur reviewers writing reviews? Because that doesn't seem very useful.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:52 (seven years ago) link
(Especially ILM's R&B threads. I'm not sure there's a better source for vetted R&B recommendations out there)
― Evan R, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:53 (seven years ago) link
xxxpost:
If your idea of socialising is typing out lists of well-worn canonical albums, then fucking hell!
But y'know, carry on turning ILM into Q Magazine by all means.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:55 (seven years ago) link
as to weird/genre specific lists- that strangeways record i posted above... there are people there who really, really care about aor. and when i was growing up, man, it was the worst music possible, really terrible, but when i see someone who has so much enthusiasm about a record, it's infectious. man i want to like everything.
― a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:56 (seven years ago) link
I dunno, I used to feel that way (wanting to like everything) and I've always gone into listening to a record that is new to me for the first time thinking "I hope I like this" rather than "this is gonna suck", but I've kinda accepted that there are some things that I'm just never going to be on board with.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 21:01 (seven years ago) link
5 albums in 5 minutes of thought
John Coltrane and Johnny HartmanPharoah Sanders - KarmaCrossing the Red Sea with The AdvertsArnold Dreyblatt - Animal MagnetismBang on a Can - Renegade Heaven
― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 21:02 (seven years ago) link
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, October 5, 2016 4:55 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ok... so... because i have virtually 'socialized' with many of the people itt on subjects both musical and non-musical, to the point where many of them have for me palpable personae and points of view, the of-the-moment half-sober all time top 5s listed by these specific people are of interest to me. yes?
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 21:06 (seven years ago) link
OTM
for example, never heard that Dreyblatt that was just listed, or the Bang On A Can
― sleeve, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 21:08 (seven years ago) link
Silly.
― (SNIFFING AND INDISTINCT SOBBING) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 21:12 (seven years ago) link
Jon not Jon: Also, I should point out that RYM also has its own community/forum, a feature of the site which I don't use because, like this thread, I don't find it particularly useful.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 21:16 (seven years ago) link
RYM's forum is like the worst forum ever haha
― imago, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 21:17 (seven years ago) link
not so much in terms of content but design. it's completely impossible to even know how to fruitfully participate
― imago, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 21:18 (seven years ago) link
Jon not Jon: Yes, on RYM at least I can filter the majority of these well-worn records out. Else, it just looks like every other list of albums since ever.― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, October 5, 2016 4:32 PM (eleven minutes ago)i think, uh, jon was referring to the social aspect of this thread/board, something that we all understand might be difficult for you to grasp― k3vin k., Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:46 (thirty-three minutes ago) Permalink
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 5 October 2016 20:46 (thirty-three minutes ago) Permalink
Haha
― Tim F, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 21:21 (seven years ago) link
Indeed, ILM at its best (when it doesn't stoop to listing things that have been listed a zillion times over) is so far superior to the RYM forum at its best that it isn't even a competition.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 21:22 (seven years ago) link
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican)
Are you reading the same thread as everybody else? Are you seeing endless lists of Nevermind, The Stone Roses, OK Computer, The Joshua Tree and Definitely Maybe? That's really not what is happening here.
― Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 21:23 (seven years ago) link
Kitchen Person: Yes, I am reading the same thread as everyone else.
Tim F still butthurt that I loathe The 1975, clearly.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 21:25 (seven years ago) link
I Like It When You Sleep... is probably in my top 5 albums of more than 5 words in the title tbf
― imago, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 21:28 (seven years ago) link
a walk across the rooftopsvriooncolossal youthsleep no moretusk
― self-clowning cozen of ILX (cozen), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 21:37 (seven years ago) link
Some more:Lambchop - Is a WomanBoards of Canada - In a Beautiful Place out in the CountrySwell - 41My Bloody Valentine - LovelessWipers - Youth of America
― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 21:46 (seven years ago) link
can't help but resent the notion that my list has been listed a zillion times already, considering I deliberately picked five that are hardly discussed here if at all, and further picked five that flappy might like, I guess this is part of the social aspect everyone is on about
I have no idea how to search the rym top 5000(!) albums but I might be surprised to see some of the stuff on this thread, and certainly most of my five beyond Breakfast in America
socialism!
― erudite beach boys fan (sheesh), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 21:47 (seven years ago) link
"STOP HAVING FUN"
― punksishippies, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 22:05 (seven years ago) link
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 21:25 (one hour ago) Permalink
nah having fake alex in nyc around is always a handy way of defining one's aesthetic borders aka "negative partisanship"
― Tim F, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 22:30 (seven years ago) link
Tim, please go outside and get some sunshine, you have absolutely no excuse.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 22:35 (seven years ago) link
aren't you burned out of listening to music or something?
― brimstead, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 22:46 (seven years ago) link
NevermindThe Stone RosesOK ComputerThe Joshua TreeDefinitely Maybe
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 22:52 (seven years ago) link
brimstead: I'm no longer listening to and/or consuming music at the same rate that I once was. I've listened to a fraction of the music that I normally would have done this past week. I'm enjoying it more, too.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 22:55 (seven years ago) link
― erudite beach boys fan (sheesh)
duncan browne's s/t is only #7,370
rym forum not _quite_ as useless as it would appear to be- linking to threads as well as to lists on release pages helps, even though most of the threads in question are old and locked, and i'm enjoying the upstart attempt to do a classical listening club- but there are a lot of woodpeckers and kids who really like doing drugs.
― a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 22:56 (seven years ago) link
― Οὖτις
My plan worked. Every good album ever made has now been accounted for. We did it kids!
Lock the thread.
― Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 23:28 (seven years ago) link
Wait, what? Do I have an unconvincing doppleganger or something?
― Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 23:37 (seven years ago) link
Alex, according to young Timothy here, I'm apparently "ripping off" your posting style. What he doesn't understand is that I don't actually know much about your history here, aside from that you love The Stranglers, which is always an opinion worthy of the highest respect.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Thursday, 6 October 2016 00:09 (seven years ago) link
"nah having fake alex in nyc around is always a handy way of defining one's aesthetic borders aka "negative partisanship"
we need a highbrow zing thread...
― scott seward, Thursday, 6 October 2016 00:20 (seven years ago) link
"I've listened to a fraction of the music that I normally would have done this past week. I'm enjoying it more, too."
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_s03XW1ZvVvE/SpNr5MCGi-I/AAAAAAAAAoM/gr-Py31y8No/s400/mike-jeff.jpg
― scott seward, Thursday, 6 October 2016 00:22 (seven years ago) link