Haha
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 4 February 2017 06:25 (seven years ago) link
lol @ 'dilettante service', someone's scared of his cultural echelon being infiltrated
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Friday, February 3, 2017 9:37 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no one's talking about a cultural echelon dipshit my job has literally been to expose more artists from the culture, as many as possible
im talking about the value of reading the threads & participating in them vs. leeching off them like a lazy turd
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 4 February 2017 08:19 (seven years ago) link
https://img.clipartfest.com/099f94e8f77bbe3524b0c046d55eac91_fort-worth-double-jeopardy-dwi-double-jeopardy_466-349.png
― for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 4 February 2017 08:51 (seven years ago) link
lol
― wins, Saturday, 4 February 2017 08:56 (seven years ago) link
it's the internet ffs, take your secret recommendations to 77
this is the dumbest thread
― niels, Saturday, 4 February 2017 09:06 (seven years ago) link
what 'secret recommendations' the point is to get ppl to participate in the thread instead of leeching from it
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 4 February 2017 09:34 (seven years ago) link
the purpose of discussion here is ... discussion, not providing u with playlists
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 4 February 2017 09:35 (seven years ago) link
good to know that I am using ILX (and by extension, the internet) wrong most of the time.
― fffv, Saturday, 4 February 2017 09:46 (seven years ago) link
I think it's possible to both have a discussion and link to a playlist with access to some of the music being discussed
― niels, Saturday, 4 February 2017 09:50 (seven years ago) link
I can't imagine why people are put off contributing to rolling threads that are like 60% Deej pedantry and tirelessly pushing the same argument over and over again.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 4 February 2017 09:55 (seven years ago) link
On the other hands Forks dude, I subscribed to all those playlists last year and with the exception of the afrobeats one I didn't bother to listen to any of them at all. Like a huge data dump is the worst possible way of consuming music, whether it's a 400-track playlists or an endless string of Youtube links. And it does sort of grate when the only time you ever post to them is to say "hey, the playlist's updated!" On the other hand no one's able to stop Forks, or anyone else, from making them so who gives a shit really.
FWIW I still think ILM got worse when it coalesced around rolling threads. If you look at New Answers sometimes then 90% of the new music being discussed is in them, unless it's Beyonce or Kanye or whoever. It obviously allows a deeper dive into genres, but it's amazing how rarely people break out of these little sub-communities now. When you get to the end of year poll results you really realise how balkanised ILM has become. The over-excitable thread about an individual song or album is almost a thing of the past, and that's what enabled a song like, say, Desloc Piccalo's 'Drums' to be heard more widely.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 4 February 2017 10:07 (seven years ago) link
weirdly they participated in them for years but then when spotify playlists come around they stopped
its almost as if it has nothing to do w/ me
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 4 February 2017 10:08 (seven years ago) link
" On the other hand no one's able to stop Forks, or anyone else, from making them so who gives a shit really."
which is exactly why it's worth complaining abt
i mean what would you do if you couldn't publicly blame me for arguments i end up in
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 4 February 2017 10:09 (seven years ago) link
I'm pretty dubious that these things are connected fwiw. Certainly compared to the ILM membership skewing older and older, with all the lifestyle changes that implies. (It's also skewing maler, but that's another discussion).
― Matt DC, Saturday, 4 February 2017 10:10 (seven years ago) link
I'm also idly wondering if ILM in general would be improved by a blanket ban on YouTube and Spotify links. I just looked at all the rolling threads and there are some exceptions, but some of them are literally people just posting links. The removal of the need to describe a piece of music or even make an argument as to why it's good has done a lot to suppress discussion here in general.
Admittedly some of the most vocally anti-playlist people still actually bother here.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 4 February 2017 10:33 (seven years ago) link
#NoBanNoWall
― Dinsdale, Saturday, 4 February 2017 10:57 (seven years ago) link
Matt DC's last two posts 100% otm imo
― Wimmels, Saturday, 4 February 2017 13:32 (seven years ago) link
The amount of discussion on ILM - even the amount of just posting comment-free links! - has completely fallen off a cliff over the past year (ignoring those ghastly Rate Your Music nostalgia-wank polls). Rolling threads are virtually the only thing keeping it half alive given that most single-song threads die after 2 answers anyway.
― lex pretend, Saturday, 4 February 2017 14:46 (seven years ago) link
the actual ironic thing about these bloody Spotify data dumps is that no one's particularly invested in keeping any rolling thread an exhaustive document of what's going on in that genre anyway, so tons of music will never make it onto your precious playlists. gosh you might have to go looking for it yourself and engaging with the genre outside ILM!
― lex pretend, Saturday, 4 February 2017 14:49 (seven years ago) link
gosh!
― ogmor, Saturday, 4 February 2017 15:06 (seven years ago) link
pretty sure smartphones and youtube links have wayyyyy more to do w any putative changes in music discussion here than forks's playlists, but of course those and othrr factors have been discussed with great thought and participation on other threads not created to flame a specific poster...
if you don't like the playlists don't listen to them? i can assure you that they are not why i avoid rolling threads, a practice i had established long before forks started doing this. I guess that makes me a leech. hot tip tho, y'all should stop doing EOY polls I'd you want to keep sideline-sitters like myself from cream-skimming the best stuff to come out of the rolling threads...
― stein beck ii: the wrath of grapes (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 4 February 2017 15:11 (seven years ago) link
There have always been people who have used ILM primarily as a recommendation engine, and it's kind of interesting/unsurprising that the people who take the dimmest view of that are also the ones whose jobs/lives allow them to basically sit there listening to music all day if they want to. Most people don't have that luxury.
I'm not sure who these posters are who apparently only ever engage with genres through ILM playlists through. Like I'm curious as to who you actually think that is?
― Matt DC, Saturday, 4 February 2017 15:15 (seven years ago) link
forks, don't change the game for these hoes
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 4 February 2017 15:33 (seven years ago) link
The over-excitable thread about an individual song or album is almost a thing of the past, and that's what enabled a song like, say, Desloc Piccalo's 'Drums' to be heard more widely.
― Matt DC, Saturday, February 4, 2017 5:07 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
a year ago people were freaking out about the existence of an excitable thread about kaitlyn aurelia smith
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 4 February 2017 17:19 (seven years ago) link
(I don't give a single shit about someone making a playlist about my ORIGINAL DISCUSSION DO NOT STEAL and find it ridiculous that anyone else does, but the reason I post to rolling threads is that almost every time I have opened a thread for an artist or album I love, I'm lucky if one person responds. Single-artist/song threads only work if there's a pre-existing fanbase, which should be obvious.)
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 4 February 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link
i think rolling threads have a place but it feels like there are more of them every year & people are getting sorted into smaller and smaller buckets. i understand why e.g. the metal and bobbins ones need to exist but some of the more specific ones less so
― ciderpress, Saturday, 4 February 2017 17:49 (seven years ago) link
i've found in recent years that the 'Favorite Tracks + Albums 20XX' thread is the most valuable rolling thread to me since it covers the whole spectrum
― ciderpress, Saturday, 4 February 2017 18:08 (seven years ago) link
― Matt DC, Saturday, 4 February 2017 15:15 (two hours ago) Permalink
*looks at poll results*
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 4 February 2017 18:17 (seven years ago) link
I don't see how you can compare someone posting an audio link in a thread with someone skimming all the audio links from a thread but that's just me... rolling rap thread has been full of youtubes and audio links from day one
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 4 February 2017 18:18 (seven years ago) link
what year is this
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 4 February 2017 18:29 (seven years ago) link
1933
― aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Saturday, 4 February 2017 18:32 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYcK2fwa9dA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aeETEoNfOg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K38xNqZvBJI
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 4 February 2017 18:36 (seven years ago) link
YouTube links tend to expire quickly though, that's the whole problem. Theoretically making it easier to hear all the stuff in those threads should actually increase participation so I think there's something else going on here that's distinct from whether or not anyone's making playlists.
I think more generally the group of posters who are really interested in hearing and discussing new music (vs posting lists or making New Jersey facsimiles or 'albums where the first song is the worst' type threads) has been shrinking for some time. And that affects both the rolling threads and the kind of threads that Katherine mentions.
And that pool of posters is spread more and more thinly as tastes diversify. For better or worse there's a much wider range of music covered here in a lot less depth.
Like these was a time where people would post a new thread every time a mix CD came out from a popular DJ and it would get earnestly discussed (or facetiously discussed). Now there's a rolling mixes thread which is mostly a set of links with "nice mix here" written next to it.
I do think the increasing age of the average poster is a big factor, as is the fact that people are less likely to be posting from their computers (and are therefore going to be posting much shorter messages). Short of actively promoting the board to a load of younger people I don't know what the answer is.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 4 February 2017 18:37 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKg6FDrGW5Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcd1CwPPHIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6RKp9x_bio
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 4 February 2017 18:39 (seven years ago) link
^^^ nice mix here
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 4 February 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link
more like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2W1Wi2U9sQ
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Saturday, 4 February 2017 18:42 (seven years ago) link
i support this threadjacking 100%!
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 4 February 2017 18:43 (seven years ago) link
specifically 3'04" if ure asking
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Saturday, 4 February 2017 18:43 (seven years ago) link
all included in the threads playlist tho just in case
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Saturday, 4 February 2017 18:45 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mbxe33BYW8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKU78O7T_fw
seriously though, again, there are whole threads devoted to the meta discussion of theories about whether, how, and why ILM posting style/discourse has changed over time. it's an interesting topic, i have things i'd add, but i think it'd be nice to use one of those rather than one that was started as an ad hominem against one poster. possible starting points:
Any reason why ILM is so quiet these days?Longtime ILXors - how has this board changed over time?
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 4 February 2017 18:45 (seven years ago) link
I for one cannot imagine why younger people would not want to post here
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 4 February 2017 18:59 (seven years ago) link
not enough Brony love
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 4 February 2017 19:03 (seven years ago) link
lol katherine
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 4 February 2017 19:51 (seven years ago) link
where do young people discuss music these days?
― soref, Saturday, 4 February 2017 19:57 (seven years ago) link
on the toilet
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 4 February 2017 19:58 (seven years ago) link
Twitter
― Spottie, Saturday, 4 February 2017 20:56 (seven years ago) link
snapchats of moleskines
― Sufjan Grafton, Saturday, 4 February 2017 21:12 (seven years ago) link
and drone filmed facebook live post
― Sufjan Grafton, Saturday, 4 February 2017 21:13 (seven years ago) link
and rustic batard
― Sufjan Grafton, Saturday, 4 February 2017 21:17 (seven years ago) link
I kind of like that the youtubes disappear, that a record wafts in on the breeze and after a while off it goes again. There are too many records, most of them are bad, and the few good ones lead to serene feelings not speaking. a doff of the cap is its sentence on the page
― saer, Saturday, 4 February 2017 22:19 (seven years ago) link