https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-28/once-we-listened-to-the-beatles-now-we-eat-beetles
Most of the top music from the 1990s, such as say Alanis Morissette, would sound current if released today, a sign of cultural stasis in what was once a highly socially charged and rapidly changing sector. In 1967, music from 20 or even 10 years earlier sounded quite different and indeed archaic.As for where the change and innovation have come, it’s hard to think of any sphere of American life where the selection and quality have improved so much as food, whether in the supermarket or in restaurants. American cities become more interesting places to dine each year, and the attention paid to food on TV and online has been growing steadily since the 1990s.
As for where the change and innovation have come, it’s hard to think of any sphere of American life where the selection and quality have improved so much as food, whether in the supermarket or in restaurants. American cities become more interesting places to dine each year, and the attention paid to food on TV and online has been growing steadily since the 1990s.
― j., Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:42 (seven years ago) link
I haven't listened to Jagged Little Pill in a long time, but I'll bet it couldn't sound any more of its time.
― The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Thursday, 30 March 2017 01:16 (seven years ago) link
http://www.vulture.com/2017/04/john-mayer-could-learn-something-from-game-of-thrones.html
There are few easier targets in music writing. But somehow this guy still aimed the shotgun right at his own balls.
― Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:32 (seven years ago) link
Should have just talked about the band Marillion instead.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:38 (seven years ago) link
"I’m not saying that John Mayer should be sealed away, tortured, blinded, and de-fingered because it would better his music."
go figure
― budo jeru, Thursday, 6 April 2017 21:55 (seven years ago) link
Whether Jagged Little Pill sounds of it's time probably comes down to whether you heard it at the time. The reference points for music are so different now that perhaps it would sound new to someone who is younger and only aware of the current sounds in music. That's a huge assumption on my part though
― Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Thursday, 6 April 2017 21:58 (seven years ago) link
Over the weekend my girlfriend and I were on a quick road trip and for lack of anything else we listened to one of those Jack-FM style stations -- "Ironic" came up at one point and in the context of the mostly newish songs around it, it just sounded pretty out of place more than anything else. (Less so than the Thriller-era Michael Jackson songs they played, or anything random from the 80s.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 April 2017 22:02 (seven years ago) link
I was gonna say, it would probably sound old to someone who is younger, like '60s music did in the '80s.
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Thursday, 6 April 2017 22:06 (seven years ago) link
i think the basic point is that, when it comes to production, you can cherry pick more or less any element from the last forty years of music and use it as a filter, a signifier, whatever, and most likely people will hear it as contemporary. nobody in the '60s had that luxury and nobody wanted to "sound like" robert johnson or joe liggins or amos milburn in terms of production.
― budo jeru, Thursday, 6 April 2017 22:15 (seven years ago) link
what that has to do with food, or eating beetles, tough, is beyond me
― budo jeru, Thursday, 6 April 2017 22:20 (seven years ago) link
though*
― budo jeru, Thursday, 6 April 2017 22:21 (seven years ago) link
I can't ever imagine the drum loops on 'All I Really Want' or 'You Learn' sounding contemporary to anyone in 2017.
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Thursday, 6 April 2017 22:28 (seven years ago) link
what i'm saying is that we live in this kind eternal post-modern echo chamber and it's really hard for me to imagine something sounding utterly new (isn't there a thread about this somewhere?) anyway,
i just went and listened to those songs, i've never heard alanis morissette before, i guess i'm on the fence specifically with her production. the big compressed drum loops yeah, wasn't beck doing the same thing around the same time? is '90s beck really '90s sounding? my feeling is that you could salvage many elements of this sound and put it on the radio and re-contextualize it and people wouldn't immediately be like "woah time-warp to the nineties right here" but maybe i'm wrong
― budo jeru, Thursday, 6 April 2017 23:29 (seven years ago) link
How could a Guardian article about music be inflammatory enough to inspire a petition with over 600 signatures, I wondered. Then I read and marvelled: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/27/music-lessons-children-white-wealthy#comment-95607277
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Saturday, 8 April 2017 03:07 (seven years ago) link
lol that is incredible
― SSN Lucci (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 8 April 2017 05:23 (seven years ago) link
That is seriously like the Monty Python architect sketch come to life
― SSN Lucci (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 8 April 2017 05:24 (seven years ago) link
Ha. I meant to link the article, not a comment by a teenager: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/27/music-lessons-children-white-wealthy
I'm actually completely in favour of teaching music without notation in certain contexts but this article (and headline) still seem pretty wrongheaded to me.
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Saturday, 8 April 2017 15:25 (seven years ago) link
My advice would be to go into science, medicine, technology, languages etc. Anything but music. There's no money in it and it gets you nowhere - study something useful instead.
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Saturday, 8 April 2017 15:39 (seven years ago) link
ok this isn't "bad" per se https://theoutline.com/post/1368/pop-collabs-are-boring
but i feel like taking issue with the fact that features don't always synthesize artists into the song assumes that a hip-hop feature on pop song has to be a synthesis. the fact that ty$ and fifth harmony sound distinct from each other on Work From Home doesn't make the feature "disposable". also, equating "disposable" with "boring" is (semantically, i know, but still) kinda shortsighted, especially when most pop is knowingly "disposable" already.
maybe it's just that this feels pretty under-researched and "pop ruins everything"-y, overall—i'd love to look at a thing about how exactly the feature (are we talking about hip-hop verse in place of bridge or disco-diva style EDM vocalist, though? another glossed over distinction) became a staple of the pop hit structure, but this is so fixed on putting down its subject any good points feel totally lost.
― austinb, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 01:30 (seven years ago) link
i think that's pretty bad per se
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 01:43 (seven years ago) link
lol wasn't sure if everything had to be as glaringly bad as that Flume review from the independent
― austinb, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 01:43 (seven years ago) link
would be more interesting to talk about how guest raps have become the equivalent of the guitar solo
― maura, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 12:25 (seven years ago) link
or how men have to horn in on ladies' songs for reasons that probably boil down to "millennial male" appeal, to sometimes disastrous effect (shudders at memory of soulja boy clomping around the opening of vistoso bosses' otherwise lovely "delirious")
― maura, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 12:27 (seven years ago) link
anyway the outline's writing on music is p poor across the board. lifeless and whiny and completely lacking in descriptions of sound - you know. the important part
― maura, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 12:29 (seven years ago) link
yeah they should stick to their lane of lefty politics and whatever this was
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 12:54 (seven years ago) link
lol i didn't think soulja boy on "delirious" was that bad but yeah it was def unnecessary :X
but otm re: that kind of pairing
― dyl, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 15:27 (seven years ago) link
Not writing, but on his podcast the great Wesley Morris went on a riff about how we're in a musical period as great as the 70s with Kendrick as Stevie Wonder and Drake as Fleetwood Mac, with Views as his Tusk that just made my head explode.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 April 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
barf
― SSN Lucci (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 20 April 2017 16:34 (seven years ago) link
Finally, a TUSK we can call our own
I don't remember Fleetwood Mac sucking all to be damned
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Thursday, 20 April 2017 16:35 (seven years ago) link
a drake is a male duck
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Thursday, 20 April 2017 16:41 (seven years ago) link
I do.
― Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 20 April 2017 16:42 (seven years ago) link
http://carriewintour.tumblr.com/post/143556693100/drake-is-the-modern-lindsey-buckingham
― nomar, Thursday, 20 April 2017 16:42 (seven years ago) link
drake is rap's phil collins only i still don't like him
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Thursday, 20 April 2017 17:14 (seven years ago) link
he's the phil collins era of genesis but only the song "illegal alien"
― a landlocked exclave (mh 😏), Thursday, 20 April 2017 17:27 (seven years ago) link
ok, not really, but that's the worst collins-related thing that came to mind
the article itself is not really noteworthy but the title made me want to crawl into the crypt:
"Shawn Mendes' 10 Best Deep Cuts"
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 24 April 2017 13:21 (seven years ago) link
there's only one shawn mendes deep cut I'd care to hear about tbh
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 24 April 2017 13:36 (seven years ago) link
going to show *some* restraint and not post about this on Twitter, but this is seriously one of the biggest self-inflated music-related clickbait abortions I've ever seen
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/7768061/100-greatest-choruses-21st-century
Like, bear with me and ignore that the company that literally uses MATH to decide what America enjoys saying that some Sufjan Stevens song is somehow a more important/indelible chorus than Flo Rida. Also, ignore that it completely ignores "Uptown Funk" which carried TWO DIFFERENT HITS. Also, ignore whatever insane millennial retcon job where world-changing, wedding standards songs like like "Hey Ya" and "Crazy" and "Hips Don't Lie" and "Single Ladies" and "I Gotta Feeling" and "Happy" are all not "good" enough choruses to make this list because the staff at America's chart-pop music authority actually(?) somehow thinks that Mika and The Knife need those slots.
Ignore all that.
What makes this bad, irresponsible, deceptive and outright factually incorrect is that the list makes no effort to actually say where the melodies and music come from. Its gross, lazy, and def of a piece with the Donald Trump era where facts are worthless
To wit:--The "Get Low" entry makes no mention of the fact that "To the windows, to the walls" was actually from a black fraternity chant--The "Paper Planes" entry makes no mention of the fact that the hook is actually a repurposed line from Wrecks N Effect's mega-hit "Rumpshaker"--The "Drop It Like It's Hot" entry makes no mention of the fact that the phrase was born out of New Orleans rap music and, although I am no expert and would have to check, likely has an deeper history in New Orleans bounce music
At it's best the whole endeavor is millennial laziness cynically exploited by a company wealthy enough to buy Spin and Vibe, at worst it's a gaggle of white writers actively erasing black voices.
― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:33 (seven years ago) link
we felt it was time that to start figuring out the new canon
^ their first mistake
― j., Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:54 (seven years ago) link
we felt it was time that
to start figuring out
― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 15:08 (seven years ago) link
i read through that whole list and i feel that much more cretinous now
― j., Tuesday, 25 April 2017 15:16 (seven years ago) link
beating canons into shares
― Brexectile dysfunction (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 15:16 (seven years ago) link
blessed are the canonmakers, for they shall be really short on irl friends
― Brexectile dysfunction (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 15:17 (seven years ago) link
can't really say anything about this
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 15:29 (seven years ago) link
first time for everything i guess
― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 15:29 (seven years ago) link
whiney
this list is obviously a load of nonsense but you've literally reached the point where you're gunning for the black eyed peas over the knife
― imago, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 15:36 (seven years ago) link
karin andersson came BARRELLING down the hill yelling "NO!" at the black eyed peas, who were forced to jump into the east river
― imago, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 15:37 (seven years ago) link
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Thursday, April 20, 2017 12:14 PM (five days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i'm contractually obligated to point out he's def a top 20 rock drummer of all time easy
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 15:43 (seven years ago) link
nah man Drake's top 30 AT BEST!
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 15:46 (seven years ago) link