I have had it up to here waiting for the Beatles catalogue to be remastered

stunned that a man with such a rich, lustrous and widely-remarked-upon head of natural chestnut hair could be out of touch with public opinion

👏 WHERE 👏 IS 👏 CARNIVAL 👏 OF 👏 LIGHT 👏

Surely McCartney must be aware by now that, fifty years down the line, Sgt. Pepper's generally isn't considered to be their finest work.

― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:34 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't know i feel like it still gets the canonical props? but not in the real headz know the deal circles

yeah outside of rockist circles I think it's still considered a bit of a gamechanger

i will definitely buy this and listen to all of it but then again i've always thought mark lewisohn was one of the luckiest ppl in history for getting to sit there and listen to every single beatles recording session for his book

in Beatles fan circles people moaned like fuck about how they missed the Revolver 50th and how there'd been no package to commemorate it, so they were damned if they did/didn't really. meanwhile in Liverpool there's a whole slew of anniversary dos across 2 months
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/sgt-peppers-lonely-hearts-club-band-50th-anniversary-beatles-album-liverpool-plans-celebrates-a7645231.html

Christ, if people in Beatles fan circles were whining about this music not repackaged yet again for the zillionth time, then...

*being

zillionth? well that's the thing, to be honest until 2009's reissues there'd been remarkably little in the way of repackaging. and this is The Beatles! even now there's only been one set of out-takes and that was 22 years ago. i mean if you compare it to the endless boxes-with-t-shirts-and-6-discs-in affairs that Bowie seemed so keen on, to say nothing of the 'every single session recorded in 1966 across 27 discs!' style hoo ha that Dylan gets, or the Miles splurges, it's been pretty thin gruel all round.

i mean check the name of this thread!

i've come back around on Sgt. Pepper, it has a really great side 1. i always forget about "Getting Better" when i'm not listening to it, it's one of their best songs.

i want them to release "Carnival of Light" and any psychedelic late night jams they want to throw on as well.

yeah outside of rockist circles I think it's still considered a bit of a gamechanger

― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, April 4, 2017 5:00 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not only that, but at the time the reaction -- from fans, from their parents, from people who'd never paid any attention to them -- was overwhelming. It's such an annoying boomer cliche, but everyone was digging that record, and while it arguably pales in comparison to Revolver, I'm sure it was this reaction coming after months of laboring over it that sticks in Paul's and Ringo's minds rather than, say, "Huh, Mojo didn't vote it #1."

Yeah exactly.

Yes, let's not pretend The Capitol Albums, Live at the BBC, Anthology, Yellow Submarine Songtrack, Live at the Hollywood Bowl, Beatles 1, Love, Let It Be... Naked, the red and blue albums etc. didn't exist or anything...

So what?

The Sgt. Pepper songs on Hollywood Bowl kill. They were really ahead of their time.

Besides, it's 2017... I don't really care at this stage how people in 1967 heard it, I care about the way I hear it in 2017, and what I hear isn't their finest collection of songs. The orchestral part on 'A Day In The Life' is one of the few moments that still sounds mindblowing in 2017. Everything else sounds "of its time", which is to be expected.

Gilles Martin-remixed? Wonderful - count me in. I love, love, love 'LOVE'.

It may not be The Beatles' best album but we're really talking in splitting-hairs contest terms. It's certainly the most iconic for a number of reasons, and you can't escape that. Most cinematic/"album-y", too - best reason for a modern remix (see: Pink Floyd / King Crimson remasters).

Re: Paul's natural chestnut hair - hm. I think it's more like Japanese-middle-age-ladies-hair-dye hair.

xx-post:

So, it hasn't exactly been "thin gruel", has it? There's been plenty of this shit over the years.

can't believe i've spent over 7 years hemming and hawing over whether to buy the mono CD remaster box

Yes, let's not pretend The Capitol Albums, Live at the BBC, Anthology, Yellow Submarine Songtrack, Live at the Hollywood Bowl, Beatles 1, Love, Let It Be... Naked, the red and blue albums etc. didn't exist or anything...

― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Tuesday, April 4, 2017 10:46 PM (yesterday)

i'd say this qualifies as "thin gruel" next to the endless repackaged hits collections/live albums/box sets we've gotten from the stones, dylan, hendrix, etc. i mean the stones' catalog is almost incomprehensible to me at this point. the beatles seem to have gone out of their way to keep their basic catalog as pure as possible.

Sgt. Pepper is my favorite Beatles album.

Brand new stereo mix by Giles Martin and Sam Okell, you guys!

After having just listened to Yellow Submarine Songtrack for the first time in a long time recently, I say this is going to rock.

repackaged hits collections/live albums/box sets we've gotten from the stones, dylan, hendrix, etc. i mean

Dylan has released an incredible amount of very substantial and important studio outtakes and live albums, to the point where I think you could make the case the Bootleg Series is as good as the proper studio albums, certainly leagues above the Hendrix or the Stones

Also Dylan is putting out stuff like he Bootleg Basement Tapes that had been circulating and being sold as bootlegs for years as A Tree With Roots it's not like no one was asking for it

Some like the complete Highway 61 or the real Royal Albert Hall large set, there's always a reasonably priced 2cd alternative

yeah dylan is prob in a different category since a lot of his very best work never ended up on his studio albums. tbh that could be true of hendrix also but i've never been able to make much sense of his posthumous releases.

Beatles are most like Led Zep where there just doesn't seem to be much there in terms of really significant outtakes, as we saw the label throwing its back out trying to come up with "extras" to justify those deluxe Led Zep reissues

So, it hasn't exactly been "thin gruel", has it? There's been plenty of this shit over the years.

― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Tuesday, April 4, 2017 6:57 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not really, all the stuff you mentioned doesn't come close to the level of unheard material that dylan, bowie, stones, miles davis, etc. have put out.

The Capitol Albums, Beatles 1, Red and Blue albums are all compilations of previously released material.

Yellow Submarine Songtrack, Love, Let It Be... Naked are all remixes of previously released material.

Live at the BBC, Live at the Hollywood Bowl... sure, these are fine. not that exciting

the Anthology is the only project they've done that's all previously unreleased stuff.

i dunno. Anthology has a lot of gold. things like I'm Only Sleeping with an intro performed on vibraphone or Tomorrow Never Knows with an entirely different, more raw, drone rock backing track. there are a lot of really amazing outtakes for Strawberry Fields Forever, which was really the start of the whole Sgt. Pepper project. any decent Sgt. Pepper has to start with SFF and PL.

and i'm aware there isn't much left... except carnival of light

xp yeah i love the anthology, i'm just saying it's the only thing they've done that's all unheard stuff

"Not Guilty" is really fucking awesome. the Anthology recording of "That Means a Lot" was on some other plane of orchestrated Roy Orbison beauty compared to the comedy rock they were doing at the time.

Compare to the histrionics of PJ Proby's hit version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJMbEYuxeGw

and i'm aware there isn't much left... except carnival of light

there is like an hour of various "Helter Skelter" outtakes on a tape somewhere.

supposedly George Harrison taped a demo of "Something" on the harpsichord during the White Album sessions

it should come with a usb stick of multitrack stems

Remember this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles_Bootleg_Recordings_1963

I thought there were going to be more releases like this to extend copyright ownership and tapes not yet released.

Don't get me wrong, I'd gladly pay to hear entire reels. Even for the Beatles, I don't think there's a market for that... fuck

it should come with a usb stick of multitrack stems

― a but (brimstead), Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:27 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

These exist, were done w Harmonix & Martin's kid for the Beatles Rock Band

Flappy bird there, ladies and gentlemen, failing to grasp what the term "repackaging" means as much as what the term "riff" means...

Yes, I am fucking aware that as far as unreleased material goes, there has really only been the Anthology, but that wasn't my point.

The point was that, apparently, the hardcore Beatles fans have been whining about 50th anniversaries of the likes of Revolver not being honoured and... really, what is the point? The LP's were all remastered within the last decade, there's been shitloads of Beatle product on the market for years. This music has never fucking gone away, has always been on sale and has never gone out of print. Every so often they come up with new ways of selling the same old shit.

I seriously don't believe that's that much else of worth hearing in the archives, to be honest. I think the majority of the good stuff was put out on the Anthology CD's. Right now we're in barrel-scraping territory.

Can't wait for the 60th anniversary so they can repackage this shit again.

Dunno, from what I've read, those giant Dylan sets have done even better than the record company expected. Beatles hardcore fan base seems like it could be even more rabid.

I'd be far more interested in an Anthology-type project for McCartney's solo material. I can only imagine what kinda gems he's got hidden away.

Would love to hear that helter skelter tape, supposedly there's a 20 minute version somewhere in the vaults

Well, white album is next year, yeah?

One can only hope...

I believe its more like the anthology 3 version than some screaming white-album-versionalike.

Did the long version of "She's a woman' come out? There are a bunch of 'long versions' like that one, 'All you need is love' which I'm pretty sure didn't either, "Revolution/nine" all those I've heard and are good. I believe 'Something' has a longy, 'Helter Skelter' obv, what else?

the new outtakes will be on disc 2 & 3. they are:

CD 2: Complete early takes, coupled together the same was as the original album, plus various versions of “Strawberry Fields Forever” and “Penny Lane”

1. Strawberry Fields Forever [Take 1]
2. Strawberry Fields Forever [Take 4]
3. Strawberry Fields Forever [Take 7]
4. Strawberry Fields Forever [Take 26]
5. Strawberry Fields Forever [Stereo Mix - 2015]
6. When I'm Sixty-Four [Take 2]
7. Penny Lane [Take 6 – Instrumental]
8. Penny Lane [Vocal Overdubs And Speech]
9. Penny Lane [Stereo Mix - 2017]
10. A Day In The Life [Take 1]
11. A Day In The Life [Take 2]
12. A Day In The Life [Orchestra Overdub]
13. A Day In The Life (Hummed Last Chord) [Takes 8, 9, 10 and 11]
14. A Day In The Life (The Last Chord)
15. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band [Take 1 – Instrumental]
16. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band [Take 9 And Speech]
17. Good Morning Good Morning [Take 1 - Instrumental, Breakdown]
18. Good Morning Good Morning [Take 8]

CD 3: Complete early takes, put in chronological order as recorded:

1. Fixing A Hole [Take 1]
2. Fixing A Hole [Speech And Take 3]
3. Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite! [Speech From Before Take 1; Take 4 And Speech At End]
4. Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite! [Take 7]
5. Lovely Rita [Speech And Take 9]
6. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds [Take 1 And Speech At The End]
7. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds [Speech, False Start And Take 5]
8. Getting Better [Take 1 - Instrumental And Speech At The End]
9. Getting Better [Take 12]
10. Within You Without You [Take 1 - Indian Instruments Only]
11. Within You Without You [George Coaching The Musicians]
12. She's Leaving Home [Take 1 – Instrumental]
13. She's Leaving Home [Take 6 – Instrumental]
14. With A Little Help From My Friends [Take 1 - False Start And Take 2 – Instrumental]
15. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise) [Speech And Take 8]

may be some cool stuff in here after all. at least it'll be nice to hear all the SFF outtakes in pristine quality

where the FUCK is carnival of light??? hoping they slip it in as an unlisted hidden track, but that's pretty unlikely.

I think now (and for a long time), the expectations are much too high for something that is certainly passable at best... like a bad joke/story that you were about to tell then decided not to and people keep asking you to tell it but you know the moment has passed and the longer you wait the more it would be embarrassing to tell it !

are people 100% sure that carnival of light exists? or is it just a legend?

oh, i'm sure it's an embarrassing mess. i just think "it won't live up to the hype"/"people will be disappointed" is a completely invalid reason to not release it, given its historical significance. there's nothing they can do at this point that would tarnish their legacy.