dude gtfo already , you aren't adding anything here xp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 14:38 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, true. Just being an asshole at this point.
― gospodin simmel, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 14:38 (seven years ago) link
BUT maybe don't get so defensive that even a (well meaning, in Whiney's article) "slight" like beta needs to get reconstructed as to not apply to Kendrick.
― gospodin simmel, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 14:46 (seven years ago) link
is what makes him beta.― gospodin simmel, Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:37 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― gospodin simmel, Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:37 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
automatic FP for that shit, gtfo & go to reddit you dork
― marcos, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 14:47 (seven years ago) link
The harshest part of Whiney's review was my realization that my enjoyment of the Kendrick and ATCQ albums vs my indifference/lack of comprehension of lots of new hip hop artists is a clear indication that I'm an old fart pining for the 90s.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 14:51 (seven years ago) link
Commanding crowds of tens of thousands is a standard thing for pop stars, plenty of them betas. I can understand having an issue with the concept itself but I still find it useful. Specifically when describing how artists tackle sex. It's not "bad" to be beta in that sense but it is different from alpha.
― gospodin simmel, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 14:54 (seven years ago) link
god please eat shit with this "alpha" and "beta" garbage
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 14:56 (seven years ago) link
seriously
― marcos, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 14:57 (seven years ago) link
just a harmless objective label, let's be cool
― Brexterminate all the brutes (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:01 (seven years ago) link
Like, it's a difference between Thom Yorke and Greg Dulli. We need words for that. But ok, I get "beta" and "alpha" have toxic connotations. Will shut up till I think of a better way of putting it.
― gospodin simmel, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:02 (seven years ago) link
no i'm ok with you just shutting up itt .
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:03 (seven years ago) link
or if you're trying to say "great" and "good", maybe say "great" and "good"
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:03 (seven years ago) link
I'm hounding everyone off ILX this week. Sorry, didn't mean to offend. Don't go. Your interpretation is valid
― imago, Monday, 17 April 2017 19:25 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i rescind this post
― imago, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:05 (seven years ago) link
Beta male:2010s::f*g:1990s. Shorthand homophobic cipher for a male who doesn't live up to code, right? FFS.
Can we go back to talking about this excellent album? I have listened to Duckworth maybe 1000 times in the last day. It is my challopsy opinion that it is the best track.
― rb (soda), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:08 (seven years ago) link
oh it might be
― imago, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:10 (seven years ago) link
Still feel tainted by that reddit comment. I'm just a sjw snowflake annoyed with Kendrick's voice, nothing sinister to it. Have fun people, sorry for the bullshit.
― gospodin simmel, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:14 (seven years ago) link
I'm just a sjw snowflake
from trrrrrrransexualTransyl-vaniaaaaaa
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:16 (seven years ago) link
wrt to whiney's review i tweeted when tpab came out that kendrick basically got the world to embrace a 96 freestyle fellowship album
there's a lot of tradition of west coast lyrical/boho rap that kinda gets forgotten among the conventional telling of the west coast as the tale of gangsta rap and NWA
freestyle fellowship, aceyalone, rass kass, saafir, heiro, pharcyde, abstract rude etc, i think that stuff def informs kendrick
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:17 (seven years ago) link
the good life cafe too
project blowed
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:18 (seven years ago) link
With regards to the "bag of sand" stuff, Kendrick is like Henry Miller when you compare him to, say, J. Cole.
― human music...I like it! (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:20 (seven years ago) link
being in that scene at the time i totally relate that to Kendrick xp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:20 (seven years ago) link
having a funny voices and off center cadence was a badge of honor
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:22 (seven years ago) link
I remember when you was conflicted
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:25 (seven years ago) link
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:20 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
damn u saw a lot of amazing stuff i bet
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:27 (seven years ago) link
yes! we saw all of those guys on the regular . It was a pretty close knit community, good times.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:31 (seven years ago) link
I don't really think tpab sounds *that* much like FF but this is otm
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:43 (seven years ago) link
Odd Future draws (drew? no one talks about them anymore lol) from that well too
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:44 (seven years ago) link
xpost - i was kinda exaggerating about the FF comparison but the whole loose neo soul vibe and messiness of it does remind me of FF
odd future iirc was more big eminem stans when they were kids
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 15:58 (seven years ago) link
yeah there's that too. Was just thinking that something like the Pharcyde's "4 Better or 4 Worse" totally has that Odd Future vibe
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:01 (seven years ago) link
yeah the fat lip versus on that song for sure
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:06 (seven years ago) link
there's def a lineage to follow w FF yeah. was listening to Mikah Nine's album 'It's All Love' finding some connections in therehttps://youtu.be/qIJxo9kIjBk
― Spottie, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:10 (seven years ago) link
I get a little bit of phat lip on 4 Better Or 4 Worse in some of this.
― Aerosol, Saturday, October 23, 2010 10:51 PM (six years ago) Bookmark
from OF thread
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:10 (seven years ago) link
great minds think alike
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:17 (seven years ago) link
there's bits of FF stuff I like here and there but I feel like none of those guys ever made a 100% solid album, either solo or collectively
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:18 (seven years ago) link
you could cobble together a fantastic mixtape from various releases tho
I really think that one i mentioned is fronttoback great.
― Spottie, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:19 (seven years ago) link
But for the most part they were a mixed bag yeah
― Spottie, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:20 (seven years ago) link
thread got good again
― Brexterminate all the brutes (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link
had hopes that AC would have put out at stellar solo after Innercity but All Balls fell kinda flat
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:24 (seven years ago) link
title track from that is good tho
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:25 (seven years ago) link
all balls is half classic
― Spottie, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:26 (seven years ago) link
now you guys got me queuing up all this stuff I have listened to in a long time!
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
While I really love DNA, I can't get over how poorly the beat is mixed. The distortion on the beat, especially the 2nd part, really takes away some of the fire of the track for me. This is the only track on the album that does this to such a degree. Was it mixed on a pair of Beats or something? Wish I could get a hold of the stems and fix it argh
That aside, I feel this might be his strongest lyrical record to date - both in terms of sound and content. So many subtle tweaks to the vocal timbre, especially on PRIDE (is that Kendrick pitching shifting his voice subtly or software?). A number of songs reference themes from the rest of the album, making everything so interconnected that it almost feels more of a concept album than the last two.
oh and can we talk about how iconic the album art is?
― octobeard, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:31 (seven years ago) link
I thought this at first but decided it was on purpose.
― Spottie, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link
beat goes unhinged when he goes unhinged etc
all those west coast rap callouts up there are ON POINT. huge hieroglyphics and aceyalone fan. might throw blackalicious in that mix too
― octobeard, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:34 (seven years ago) link
I can see that, but it's a shame. I feel the beat would have had more power and expressiveness if the bass was clean. I'm also mix and produce so this shit bothers me more than most people I'm sure
― octobeard, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:42 (seven years ago) link
thx for the kind words above, guys. I was feeling kind of bummed out today and that helped :)
― SSN Lucci (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:46 (seven years ago) link
excellent review whiney
― nomar, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:48 (seven years ago) link