a waste of a great rock singer
i think listening to the album basically dispatches this criticism
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 11 May 2017 19:31 (seven years ago) link
xpost Yeah, definitely seems more sophisti-pop.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 May 2017 19:32 (seven years ago) link
first couple of listens and i'm not really feeling this at all. it did take a few plays for say-they-say-they-told-meeeyyy to get its hooks into me though
― del esdichado (NickB), Friday, 12 May 2017 08:58 (seven years ago) link
off the bat i'm liking idle worship, i like the tension in the vocals there
caught in the middle - wtf is this ace of base garbage?
― del esdichado (NickB), Friday, 12 May 2017 09:07 (seven years ago) link
I generally like Caramanica, but this line -- "some of her essential grit is lost to the machines" -- I mean, talk about your '80s revivalism. It's like reading Rolling Stone in 1983.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 12 May 2017 12:12 (seven years ago) link
hard times
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 12 May 2017 12:36 (seven years ago) link
First listen to this, and it was really disheartening. I'm sure it will grow on me, because the songs are solid and Hayley brought her A game. But I find the whole Wedding Singer cosplay thing insufferably tacky, and all those brittle '80s polyrhythms just sound shitty and one-trick to me.
― Evan R, Friday, 12 May 2017 13:05 (seven years ago) link
After two listens, I like the first few songs very much (which includes the two that had been released already), but I'm not hearing much in the way of hooks in the rest of it. Will continue to listen though.
― how's life, Friday, 12 May 2017 13:08 (seven years ago) link
y'know I really appreciate how few straight-up love songs HW writes
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 12 May 2017 13:10 (seven years ago) link
enjoying this on first listen
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 12 May 2017 13:40 (seven years ago) link
i take it the eh-eh-eh vocals and mention of 'hopeless places' on idle worship are a nod to rihanna?
― del esdichado (NickB), Friday, 12 May 2017 13:43 (seven years ago) link
Can we please get a Paramore/1975 world tour? Pretty please? :)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 12 May 2017 15:46 (seven years ago) link
I think we should crowdfund brad a ticket for the cruise
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 12 May 2017 15:56 (seven years ago) link
this definitely falls off after Pool in a way the s/t didn't really despite being 20 minutes longer, but the good half of this sure is great
something about the way the chorus in Pool comes in gets me every time
― ufo, Friday, 12 May 2017 15:57 (seven years ago) link
I'm in!
xpost
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 May 2017 15:58 (seven years ago) link
i'd agree if i didn't love "caught in the middle" and "idle worship" at this point (also "tell me how" is their best closer imo). "grudges" is prob the only miss and it has a great bridge
xp
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 12 May 2017 16:02 (seven years ago) link
who or what is 'tell me how' about? (i am dim and haven't followed the band's history or relationships)
― del esdichado (NickB), Friday, 12 May 2017 16:10 (seven years ago) link
no idea. pretty easy to fold "tell me how" onto any kind of breakup though
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 12 May 2017 16:11 (seven years ago) link
i love 'grudges' - it reminds me of all the cure and trashcan sinatras and smiths that i didn't listen to in middle school
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 12 May 2017 16:13 (seven years ago) link
― del esdichado (NickB), Friday, May 12, 2017 12:10 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, May 12, 2017 12:11 PM
It's about my despair at knowing Taylor doesn't care I'm alive
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 May 2017 16:14 (seven years ago) link
unsurprisingly I like all of this now, though the closing trio sounds like it belongs on a longer / more ambitious record.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 12 May 2017 16:16 (seven years ago) link
it's one hall of a jolt when spotify starts playing 'fast in my car' straight afterwards
― del esdichado (NickB), Friday, 12 May 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, May 12, 2017 9:14 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes exactly
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 12 May 2017 16:30 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, I really like the sequencing here, how it starts with all the knockout backyard barbecue tracks and gradually works its way into sprawlier ("less grounded," in Caramanica speak) territory. "No Friend" does so much to anchor the record; I'm so glad they didn't cut it.
tbh I'd like this album a ton more if it had like, another 10-20 minutes of material on it, even uneven material, just to better balance that big mass of polyrhythmic 80s stuff and put it in perspective. That was part of what i loved about the s/t one, how it worked as both a pop record and an exploratory endeavor. But historically most of their albums have been pretty lean so I guess this is a return to form in that way
― Evan R, Friday, 12 May 2017 16:41 (seven years ago) link
"Forgiveness" is wonderful and the best take on the very very overexposed 80s soft-pop thing I've heard in a long time
― Evan R, Friday, 12 May 2017 16:42 (seven years ago) link
aw man, i just made a post to this thread and the android app ate it. trying again:Despite the talk of this not being like a classic emo paramore album, i think if you rearranged it for crunchy guitars and more soaring vocal lines, this would sound more like brand new eyes than self-titled.
― how's life, Friday, 12 May 2017 16:48 (seven years ago) link
Ok, that worked. My other thought in the eaten post was that i really like all her little vocal strains and squeaks in Idle Worship.
― how's life, Friday, 12 May 2017 16:49 (seven years ago) link
hope folks who like this make their way to Flock of Dimes stat
― the tune was space, Friday, 12 May 2017 16:51 (seven years ago) link
Despite the talk of this not being like a classic emo paramore album, i think if you rearranged it for crunchy guitars and more soaring vocal lines, this would sound more like brand new eyes than self-titled.
― how's life, Friday, May 12, 2017 9:48 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is exactly what i thought when i first heard it. "fake happy" -> "26" is like going back in time to brand new eyes
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 12 May 2017 16:52 (seven years ago) link
flock of dimes is great not sure i understand the relationship
tbh I'd like this album a ton more if it had like, another 10-20 minutes of material on it
Yeah I think this is what I was trying to get at, there's a pretty broad sonic canvas here that could have used a S/T type length to explore. but y'know "leaves you wanting more" is one of those good problems
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 12 May 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link
i doubt this'll get mewithoutyou any new fans but if any of y'all like "no friend" and are unfamiliar i highly recommend getting into mewithoutyou
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 12 May 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link
i think that will be youwithoutme tbh
― del esdichado (NickB), Friday, 12 May 2017 17:06 (seven years ago) link
Otm about the Brand New Eyes feel
Also about mewithoutyou being very good
― Evan R, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
Really digging this, especially the first half.The '80s pop revivalism doesn't bother me at all here, cuz that guitar player has it FIGURED OUT how the jerky arpeggios of brittle new wave relate to African high life guitar
― bunny slopes, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:50 (seven years ago) link
i.e. he's studied his English Beat
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 May 2017 18:59 (seven years ago) link
lol, I definitely gave Special Beat Service a spin in the last week.
― how's life, Friday, 12 May 2017 19:02 (seven years ago) link
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 12 May 2017 21:00 (seven years ago) link
Gif or gtfo
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 May 2017 22:05 (seven years ago) link
https://media.giphy.com/media/cq5vJZkfJB9PW/giphy.gif
― devvvine, Friday, 12 May 2017 22:11 (seven years ago) link
Bought this irl at Target today, so now I own one CD. Still haven’t listened to the full album though.
― the ghost of markers, Friday, 12 May 2017 23:20 (seven years ago) link
Really loving this new Paramore album 'After Contra'.
― Tim F, Saturday, 13 May 2017 00:11 (seven years ago) link
Heh. (Listening now.)
― the ghost of markers, Saturday, 13 May 2017 00:14 (seven years ago) link
I really enjoy this. Not sure about "No Friend" but it doesn't bother me. Am I making too much of their Nashville connection, or is there a bit of a modern country vibe on some of these choruses? Thinking Fogiveness, Fake Happy, and 26.
― brontosaur, Saturday, 13 May 2017 01:13 (seven years ago) link
Pretty good first listen.
― the ghost of markers, Saturday, 13 May 2017 03:15 (seven years ago) link
enjoying "grudges" a whole lot
― Sharkie, Saturday, 13 May 2017 13:40 (seven years ago) link
btw is it me or is the production a bit muddy at points?
― Sharkie, Saturday, 13 May 2017 13:49 (seven years ago) link
oh PLEASE
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 13 May 2017 15:27 (seven years ago) link
i thought this was one of the best produced pop records in years lol
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 13 May 2017 16:05 (seven years ago) link
"Forgiveness" is a wonder on earphones.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 May 2017 16:10 (seven years ago) link