'Invisible Touch' was the first single - May '86.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 20:43 (six years ago) link
Although it's worth pointing out that while Invisible Touch was indeed the "bald Thriller" in the US, in the UK none of the singles were as successful as you'd think.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 20:45 (six years ago) link
why not more love for The Brazilian? I remember that being a highlight of their live show around this time.
I love it! Particularly the percussion...
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Thursday, 13 July 2017 00:52 (six years ago) link
BLOOD ON THE WINDOWS!MILLIONS OF ORDINARY PEOPLE ARE THERE!
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― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link
Coming out the woodwork, through the open doorPushing from above and belowShadows without substance, in the shape of menRound and down and sideways they goAdrift without direction, eyes that hold despair
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― nachismo (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:20 (six years ago) link
Best track on this record: all of them.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 11:45 (six years ago) link
What makes this record an incredible achievement is that is not just superior to everything else that Genesis put out from 1981 onwards, but in terms of quality and songwriting it knocks Phil Collins' solo work into a cocked hat, too. It's a real diamond in the rough.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 11:51 (six years ago) link
IT is so blatantly commercial -- bully for them -- making a record with sales up the wazoo, videos on constant MTV rotation, entering the cultural confab; none too bad for some old white prog guys. The band changed their trajectory in a radical fashion even if this was the direction they were already heading. All these tracks sound far more dated than those from albums a decade earlier.
― bodacious ignoramus, Sunday, 16 July 2017 14:39 (six years ago) link
It took them years to write a perfect pop song. Their first attempt was 'I Know What I Like', and they got close with 'Follow You Follow Me', 'Turn It On Again' and 'That's All' ... but this album is where they finally nailed it, particularly on the title track, and they did it while keeping their inherent progginess intact. It was still prog in places, just a different kind of prog.
I agree that the album sounds like it was released in 1986, but that's to be expected given that it was. Dated is not a pejorative.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 15:58 (six years ago) link
Duke does not sound like it was made in 1980, nor does Trespass sound like 1970 -- IT was of it's time; fine hits, but in the end, derivative. Take your classic rock-whatever, Moving Pictures, Women and Children First, Tres Hombres... as fresh today as ever. IT is in a box, and, a small one; especially when compared to the rest of their catalog. Why do so many equate an album's quality with the number of hits it has? ....a foolhardy pursuit.
― bodacious ignoramus, Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:29 (six years ago) link
Those albums also sound like they were released in the year in which they were released.
I disagree that Invisible Touch is derivative, particularly since the average pop artist of 1986 wasn't putting out tracks like 'Domino' or the full version of 'Tonight, Tonight, Tonight' ...
You seem to be under the impression that writing pop hits is an easy thing to do. It isn't.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:48 (six years ago) link
pop hits are mostly either by design or by chance; in this case, having a pop-derived disposition lessened the impact of a once powerful group of uncompromising artisans -- starting to chase tails here, but Peter also went down the same rabbit-hole with Sledgehammer, et al (but could Collins have ever even conceived of anything as brilliant as the Passion OMPS? Apples and Oranges, Turd.
― bodacious ignoramus, Sunday, 16 July 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link
Dream Theatre used to say writing a good pop song was mind blowing to them because the shit they wrote was so freeform in comparison.
But they suck so...
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 16 July 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link
xpost:
I'd say that as a pop song, 'Invisible Touch' has a lot of impact - as a tune, it's truly uplifting and joyous and the lyric is a theme that anyone over a certain age can relate to. The album as a whole certainly had enough "impact" to speak to a great number of people. Seems to me that you're irked that 10 minute epics about dungeons and dragons weren't speaking to a great number of people in 1986, including the band themselves. The bands melodic sense and desire to do something different remained intact, even if it didn't always work - see: the two LP's prior to Invisible Touch.
I've mentioned before that I don't reall like Phil's solo stuff, so I don't see what that has to do with anything, as well as Gabriel vs. Collins talk when Banks and Rutherford were the ones running the show.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 17:39 (six years ago) link
I think we've established at this stage that bodacious ignoramus is a rockist prone to throwing juvenile hissy fits when his belief system is called into question, though.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link
troll-bait
― bodacious ignoramus, Sunday, 16 July 2017 17:55 (six years ago) link
Well I've been waiting, waiting here so longBut thinking nothing, nothing could go wrong, but now I knowShe has a built in abilityTo take everything she seesAnd now it seems I'm falling, falling for her.
I don't really know her, I only know her nameBut she crawls under your skin, you're never quite the same, and now I knowShe's got something you just can't trustIt's something mysteriousAnd now it seems I'm falling, falling for her.
She don't like losing, to her it's still a gameThough she'll mess up your life, you'll want her just the same, now I knowShe has a built in abilityTo take everything she seesAnd now it seems I've fallen, fallen for her.
She seems to have an invisible touch yeahShe reaches in, grabs right hold of your heartShe seems to have an invisible touch yeahIt takes control and slowly tears you apart.
Rinse and repeat.
...i'm beside myself with the lyrical depth --- the two albums previous to IT have tracks are that are far more inventive than anything on IT... dungeons and dragons notwithstanding.
Well, at least you're admitting it.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link
As I've said, 'Invisible Touch' has a lyrical theme that pretty much anyone over a certain age can relate to. If you can't, then fair enough, but I guess that says a lot. If you're relying on wacky stories about hypersexual Victorian ghosts, the human race being turned into a bunch of short-arses, or a bird stealing some guys dick to make you feel like the deep intellectual you think you are, but aren't, then also fair enough.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link
exhausted and bored -- meld to your flaccid 2112-version of the future; wait for me there.
― bodacious ignoramus, Sunday, 16 July 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
...and you can buy the beers!
― bodacious ignoramus, Sunday, 16 July 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link
*cranks up Invisible Touch*
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 18:20 (six years ago) link
off topic, but cranks......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_duQibI3Nvo
― bodacious ignoramus, Sunday, 16 July 2017 18:22 (six years ago) link
I can't keep up with all these threads tbh
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 16 July 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link
This is the one where people are arguing about Genesis. HTH
― didgeridon't (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 16 July 2017 19:42 (six years ago) link
In the beginning ...
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 16 July 2017 20:02 (six years ago) link
As I've said, 'Invisible Touch' has a lyrical theme that pretty much anyone over a certain age can relate to.
tf is this self parody
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Sunday, 16 July 2017 22:14 (six years ago) link
Nope, just the truth.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 22:20 (six years ago) link
Trollo, Lurker.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 16 July 2017 22:49 (six years ago) link
sadness, and i'm 49 - turd must be 109
― bodacious ignoramus, Sunday, 16 July 2017 22:51 (six years ago) link
I rest my case.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 22:53 (six years ago) link
you won't; guaranteed.
― bodacious ignoramus, Sunday, 16 July 2017 22:59 (six years ago) link
I was thinking more Patrick Bateman parody
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 05:09 (six years ago) link
*QI klaxon*
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 12:15 (six years ago) link
Well, I don't think Invisible Touch is their undisputed masterpiece (and I hate 'Sussudio' with a passion, for that matter) ... but it's without doubt their second best album of the '80s.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 12:20 (six years ago) link
'Throwing It All Away' just came up on shuffle and I was just struck once more by how much of a beautifully sung and beautifully written song it is. I had to listen to the rest of Invisible Touch immediately.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Saturday, 25 November 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link
It is like the perfect midlife boomer ballad. That gently billowing guitar line is lovely.
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Sunday, 26 November 2017 13:05 (six years ago) link
compare "Follow You Follow Me."
I am willing to come out and say that "Throwing" is probably a better song. More nuanced in both lyric and in delivery.
― you had better come correct (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 26 November 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link
"Throwing It All Away" is such a lovely song. I particularly love the drums. This is mostly a Mike song, right?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 26 November 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link
Think it's Mike all the way
― PaulTMA, Sunday, 26 November 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link
In Too Deep badly stiffed here
― i know kore-eda (or something), Sunday, 26 November 2017 16:44 (six years ago) link
In Too Deep is the ballad I always forget about, like Taking It All Too Hard. Unlike most IT songs (save maybe Anything She Does?) In Too Deep wouldn't be out of place on No Jacket.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 26 November 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
'In Too Deep' is another sublime track - if it had been on No Jacket Required, it'd have been the best thing on there.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Sunday, 26 November 2017 17:45 (six years ago) link
compare "Follow You Follow Me."I am willing to come out and say that "Throwing" is probably a better song. More nuanced in both lyric and in delivery.― you had better come correct (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, November 26, 2017 3:07 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― you had better come correct (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, November 26, 2017 3:07 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Oh absolutely! They'd truly mastered the art of the concise ballad by the time of Invisible Touch.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Sunday, 26 November 2017 17:49 (six years ago) link
YOU KEEP TELLING ME I'VE GOT EVERYTHING!YOU-SAY-I'VE-GOT EEEEEEVERYYYYTHIIIIING IIIII WAAAANT!
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― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Sunday, 21 October 2018 18:49 (five years ago) link
“ it's without doubt their second best album of the '80s.”Whatttt? It’s maybe the fourth, after Abacab, Duke, and S/T....and I’m not sure it edges out We Can’t Dance either...
― akm, Monday, 22 October 2018 04:48 (five years ago) link
I remember a school summer holiday when I played this album to death in rotation with Selling England By The Pound and IQ's Nomzamo (and I was still the coolest kid in my street!). I would've voted for Tonight Tonight Tonight. The ferocious release of the "You keep tellin' me I got everything" vocal after the super-tensile instrumental passage still resonates with me and is as raging as any Black Flag.
― Daf, Monday, 22 October 2018 12:53 (five years ago) link
Absolutely! I've read some folks say "oh, the instrumental section on 'Tonight, Tonight, Tonight' is so dull" because they're not going full-on like they did in the '70s, but it's meant to be this long, slow build that climaxes in that part. As you say, a ferocious release.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 22 October 2018 13:31 (five years ago) link
I'd rank the '80s albums Duke > Invisible Touch > Genesis > Abacab at this point. While the latter two have their high points ('Home by the Sea'/'Second Home by the Sea', 'Dodo/Lurker', 'Mama'), they've also got tracks like 'Illegal Alien', 'Another Record', 'Who Dunnit?' etc. which aren't really all that great. Invisible Touch has absolutely no filler on it.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 22 October 2018 13:36 (five years ago) link
Aw, I love Another Record...
― Defund Phil Collins (stevie), Monday, 22 October 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link