What are the best/essential Smashing Pumpkins tracks?

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Secret favorite low-key Pumpkins tracks -- "Set the Ray to Jerry" and "Shame

Amen. "Set the Ray..." in particular.

Also:

"Soma"
"I am one"
"Rhinoceros"
"Glynis"
"Hummer"
"Stand inside your Love"
"Everlasting Gaze"
"Landslide"
"Mayonnaise"

One of the best bands in the world to be 16 years-old to. All the drama, exaggerated self-importance, angst and wide-eyed innocence you could ever want in one convenient package.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Monday, 29 August 2005 05:30 (eighteen years ago) link

mayonaise
snail
silverfuck
sweet sweet
drown [their best song ever]

stevie (stevie), Monday, 29 August 2005 09:51 (eighteen years ago) link

nb the live version of 'silverfuck' recorded at brixton academy, 1993(4?) and on the viewphioria video/cd captures the *exact moment i realised corgan/the pumpkins were totally full of shit

stevie (stevie), Monday, 29 August 2005 11:04 (eighteen years ago) link

ie i was at that show, and they never needed to cover 'over the rainbow', ever.

stevie (stevie), Monday, 29 August 2005 11:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Instead, it needed to be "The Sound of Music."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 11:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Said Sadly
Mouths of Babes
My Blue Heaven (a cover, but still wicked)
Mayonnaise
Zero
Eye
Ava Adore

Erock Lazron, Monday, 29 August 2005 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

alright, i'm gonna have to say it, Machina just wasn't made right. the production kills that album, whereas Adore the production's so slick, it's too glossy. i know, some people would say that about EVERY SP release, but, the only trks off Adore i can even listen to are the singles, and that's after years of trying. Machina...well...i'll just pop it on every so often just to skip around and finally put in Machina II:FaEoMM. it rips the skin off Machina and makes it do push ups in vinegar!

other tracks to seek, not destroy---
Apathy's Last Kiss
Bullet Train to Osaka
La Dolly Vita
Plume
Smiley
Groover (Gravity Demo)
Razor (never recorded, but played live '90/91 era)
Try to Try (not to be confused w/ TryTryTry, another '90/91 era live)

MOuths of Babes is certainly a GREAT b-side, as is Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right).

it's a shame they never recorded some of the stuff they'd do live (Rattler/Razor/Try to Try).

Eye would get honorable mention.

eedd, Monday, 29 August 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

alright, i'm gonna have to say it, Machina just wasn't made right. the production kills that album, whereas Adore the production's so slick, it's too glossy. i know, some people would say that about EVERY SP release, but, the only trks off Adore i can even listen to are the singles, and that's after years of trying. Machina...well...i'll just pop it on every so often just to skip around and finally put in Machina II:FaEoMM. it rips the skin off Machina and makes it do push ups in vinegar!

other tracks to seek, not destroy---
Apathy's Last Kiss
Bullet Train to Osaka
La Dolly Vita
Plume
Smiley
Groover (Gravity Demo)
Razor (never recorded, but played live '90/91 era)
Try to Try (not to be confused w/ TryTryTry, another '90/91 era live)

MOuths of Babes is certainly a GREAT b-side, as is Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right).

it's a shame they never recorded some of the stuff they'd do live (Rattler/Razor/Try to Try).

Eye would get honorable mention.As would the cover of "Dancing In the Moonlight"

eedd, Monday, 29 August 2005 18:57 (eighteen years ago) link

ACK!
double post!!!
mod, please erase 1st.

eedd, Monday, 29 August 2005 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the production on Machina is perfect!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 29 August 2005 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link

It's lush, that stuff. Even/especially at its loudest.

"Heavy metal, heavy metal machine, so sentimental..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Highlights for me are the guitar 'crunch' on "Everlasting Gaze", the (actual) Peter Hook bass on "Raindrops and Sunshowers", and the patented Pumpkins whisper-to-a-scream transitions in "Stand inside your Love" which is kind of "Tonight, Tonight" part 2.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Man, now I need to listen to the album again, it's been a bit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yes, and cheers for the video to "Stand Inside Your Love" being the ultimate Aubrey Beardsley tribute.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

"Essential", don't make me laugh. 'Cherub Rock', 'Geek USA', 'Tonight Tonight' and 'Bullet With Butterfly Wings' rock convincingly enough, but (like the rest of the band's catalog) they'd all be better if Billy Corgan kept his mewling mouth shut.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 03:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Thank you for this truly unique observation, which I have never heard before.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 03:16 (eighteen years ago) link

In my long-lasting quest to prove that Billy Corgan is probably a fun guy to be around, I present: (Hi Ned!)

ihttp://www.whatevs.org/images/dailypics/0903/bozo_billy.jpg

haters gotta recognize...

John Justen (johnjusten), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 05:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, for fucks sake...

http://metalmachine.free.fr/billybozo.jpg

John Justen (johnjusten), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 06:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Smashing Pumpkins, but I'd bet that Billy wouldn't be all that much fun to hang out with. However, the fact that he'd probably annoy the crap out of me in real life takes nothing away from the stunning body of work that he has bequeathed to the world. Hell, I think that a significant percentage of my favourite artists would probably fit in the same category. Perry Farrell immediately comes to mind.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 06:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, I heard an extensive interview he did with Howard Stern and he seemed very good humored and likeable!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 06:24 (eighteen years ago) link

And yes Ned, love the "Stand Inside Your Love" video!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 06:25 (eighteen years ago) link

If you hold hands with Bozo, the whole world smiles with you...

John Justen (johnjusten), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 06:45 (eighteen years ago) link

My POX selection:

- Through the eyes of Ruby
- Obscured
- Hummer
- Silverfuck
- Starla
- Apathy's Last Kiss
- Bullet w/ Butterfly Wings
- The Aeroplane Flies High (looks left, turns right)
- Rhinoceros
- Where Boys Fear To Tread

but it's all great...

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

i dunno, Machina always sounds 'murky' to me, well, most of it.
Stand Inside Your Love and Heavy Metal Machine and even Everlasting Gaze seem to be almost exempt, but even HMM gets a coating of 'murk' on it. it's like the low-end is cast off to put more high on...i don't dig that.
production wise, it's hard to top Siamese or even Mellon Collie.

it's all subjective, i suppose. i've spent way too much time disecting this band...

eedd, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Since it hasn't been mentioned yet, any love for the acoustic version of Cherub Rock released on Viewphoria?

Just lovely fast strummy strummy rhythm guitar. Fun to play, too.

Viz (Viz), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

my SP OPO is rocket, always and forever.

petesmith (plsmith), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link

POX

drown
mayonnaise
glynis
slunk
silverfuck
pissant
hello kitty kat
why am i so tired
to sheila
the mouths of babes

6335, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

"Since it hasn't been mentioned yet, any love for the acoustic version of Cherub Rock released on Viewphoria?"

I've got a lot of love for that version. Always a good choice whenever someone hands you a guitar and says "Play".

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

why billy corgan is such a cool rock star (from way back in 2000):

Rock star Billy Corgan has broken his silence regarding the events that took place last Saturday at the ECW television taping in Peoria, IL. The following is a transcript of his comments on the incident, which was recently covered on MTV, and will air, in its entirety, this Friday during ECW on TNN.

"Let me start by saying that this incident with "Lou E. Imitation" is a complete outrage. For weeks I had been looking forward to singing the national anthem in front of the good people of Peoria, Illinois, an honor bestowed on me by Paul Heyman himself, who had personally invited me to open the show last Saturday night. ECW is my favorite promotion in the world, and never having sung our national anthem in public before, it was an opportunity I just couldn’t say no to.

It started out to be a great night, getting the chance before the show to talk to some of my favorite wrestlers, great guys like Jerry Lynn, Rob Van Dam, The Sandman and Justin Credible. I was nervous about doing a great rendition of the anthem, but looked forward to sitting back after I sang to watch the show. So after the warm reception I received from the crowd when I was announced as a surprise guest, what followed was like a bucket of cold water. Before I could play a note I was attacked by Lou “I used to be the Sign Guy but the Dudley’s left me behind” Dangerously and his band of reckless thugs, Steve Corino, Scotty Anton, and Jack Victory.

It was, needless to say, a unwarranted intrusion upon my performance, and an insult that won’t be easily forgotten. Lou may be the greatest manager in sports entertainment, but he is a no class individual who should be ashamed to call himself an American. Hopefully the fans will get the chance to judge this entire situation for themselves F
riday night on TNN"

ballz mahoney, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 05:33 (eighteen years ago) link

SP OPX playlist I made a couple of months back:

Bury Me
Plume
La Dolly Vita
1979
Galapogos
Ava Adore
Tristessa
Never Let Me Down
Hummer
Obscured

If I made the list today it'd probably be different, but I'd say 1979, La Dolly Vita, Never Let Me Down are certs. Obscured is the first one in the list every time.

Laney, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh man, too many. Don't have my records here but here's a go:

The End is the Beginning is the End
Bury Me
Soothe
1979
Appels & Oranjes
Soma
Snail
Where Boys Fear To Tread
Bullet With Butterfly Wings

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Wasn't Sharon Osbourne on about what a prat he was a while ago?
I don't know.I've never met Billy but I know people who have and he was really nice to them and got them backstage passes to a show on The Machina Tour...I don't think that his voice is unbearable...it's unique. I suppose if your not used to it it may be a little whiny...I like it. I've always liked the Pumpkins because you cannot put them into a category....

Here are my favourites...
Bodies
Mayonaise
Cherub Rock (man...that music video..)
Pissant
Saturnine
Pug

Lisa farren, Saturday, 10 September 2005 10:27 (eighteen years ago) link

"Wasn't Sharon Osbourne on about what a prat he was a while ago?"

takes one to know one, i suppose!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 10 September 2005 12:13 (eighteen years ago) link

http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/photo/2001-06/236343.jpg

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 10 September 2005 12:14 (eighteen years ago) link

i never ever ever tire of posting that jpeg

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 10 September 2005 12:15 (eighteen years ago) link

(and yes i know it was posted upthread!)

my own POX (in no order):

bury me
thirty three
jellybelly
cherub rock
rocket
hummer
eye
here is no why
tristessa
mayonnaise

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 10 September 2005 12:24 (eighteen years ago) link

thank you latebloomer i don't think thirty three gets enough cred. it's great

jared11, Saturday, 10 September 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

i would also like to mention thirty three, and state that it's my favorite SP video.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Saturday, 10 September 2005 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link

"Bozo, you hurt me deeply in my heart."

PB, Saturday, 10 September 2005 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't really stand 33 anymore because of the christian imagery in the lyrics that in retrospect seems to be the beginnings of the "god speaks throught me" rock star concept album phase... i.e. when the pretensiousness got unbearable.

Laney, Saturday, 10 September 2005 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't stand any Smashing Pumpkins lyrics from Mellon Collie on because THEY MAKE NO FUCKING SENSE

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 10 September 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

But I KNEW THE SADNESS OF THE WOOOOOOOOOOOOORLD!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 September 2005 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember some of the lyrics making sense to me when I was 15. A decade on they don't have the same potency. (Listening to the words full stop seems like a tremendous waste of time these days)

Laney, Saturday, 10 September 2005 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

thirty-three
1979
soma
luna
hello kitty kat
medellia of the gray skies
zero
pennies
disarm
whir

fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Sunday, 11 September 2005 00:44 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...

DISARM still hits my sweet spot tbh

ian, Thursday, 27 August 2009 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link

would agree

heard rhinoceros for the first time in over a decade the other day, sounded awesome

king boy pamito (electricsound), Thursday, 27 August 2009 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link

that track, it gets so BIG. i still remember though it must be 5+ years since i've heard it

jergins, Thursday, 27 August 2009 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link

rhinoceros is an essential smashing pumpkins track

sylvia plathter cathter (Curt1s Stephens), Friday, 28 August 2009 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d93Yvmz4vuQ

any songs recorded while billy still had long hair are pretty essential

sylvia plathter cathter (Curt1s Stephens), Friday, 28 August 2009 00:35 (fourteen years ago) link

gish & siamese dream are truly lovely albums. if BC hadn't been such a dickcheese this band would have been much more highly regarded now than they are.

http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/photo/2001-06/236343.jpg

MIDIchlorian (latebloomer), Friday, 28 August 2009 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link


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