BTW - Are live versions (particularly stuff from It's Too Late to Stop Now and also "Caravan" from The Last Waltz) eligible or only studio stuff?
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:57 AM (forty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i mean i'll leave this up to kornruelz but i think it'd be best to fold live versions into a song's total points, while noting a certain no. of ppl voted for a specific live performance in parentheses or something)
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 16:41 (six years ago) link
Similar to how it was done on Talking Heads poll, I'll combine live and studio together. So if you vote for Caravan from Last Waltz, just specifiy it and I'll note all the live versions receiving votes during the rollout.
― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 16:47 (six years ago) link
I'll be giving this a vote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_X5M_bWNIY
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 17:11 (six years ago) link
"good craic (an Irish term for conversation)"
I hate to be pedantic Brad but "craic" generally means fun times and joviality
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
i'll definitely forward it to my editor two years ago
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link
iirc i took that definition from wikipedia but at some point the adjectives i employed before "conversation" ("jovial"? was potentially one of them) got deleted, idk
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link
Oh man I am not enjoying Wavelength at all.
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 00:37 (six years ago) link
xpost Love me some Into the Music from the following year. What's up with Wavelength?
― that's not my post, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 02:25 (six years ago) link
"Wavelength" is kinda poor. I was listening to "Common One" earlier and I think it's Top 5 quality
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 04:21 (six years ago) link
I agree, Wavelength is dull, but Into the Music is a real return to form, especially the first side. Apart from the odd track, the 80s were not good - plodding, repetitive, predictable. For deep '70s cuts, I would single out You're My Woman from Tupelo Honey, Snow in St Anselmo and Wild Children from Hard Nose the Highway, I've Been Working from Street Choir, the title track of St Dominic's Preview and Into the Mystic from Moondance. Veedon Fleece is just about perfect. The real high points, for me, are the transitions from Linden Arden Stole the Highlights into the falsetto of Who Was the Masked Man, and his vocal delivery on You Don't Pull No Punches. Check out the strings and flue arrangement on that track too.
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 10:42 (six years ago) link
flute, not flue, there are no musical chimneys
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 10:43 (six years ago) link
"Craic" is fake Irish of course. To be even more pedantic .
― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 11:24 (six years ago) link
I'm going to be even more pedantic now. Van is from Ulster - Ulster Scots, if you prefer, though I don't - and 'craic' or, more properly, 'crack' would have meant conversation/chat to someone from his background, though it's possible he's using it in its more modern Irish form.
― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 11:37 (six years ago) link
oh god now i'm reliving my research on that piece lol
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 11:42 (six years ago) link
Yes, ignore all that and get into the music instead, doyouseewhatididthere...
― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 11:56 (six years ago) link
the second side of into the music where all the songs blend into each other exquisite, especially in fall
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 12:18 (six years ago) link
er.. is exquisite*
y'all...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMf-0OuUy9k
― campreverb, Thursday, 20 July 2017 03:36 (six years ago) link
One of my very favorite songs of his is Wonderful Remark, from the King of Comedy film and his ubiquitous greatest hits CD from the late 80s.
There's a longer version of Wonderful Remark on the Philosopher's Stone compilation, but IMHO you can't beat the 80s one.
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 20 July 2017 13:27 (six years ago) link
that was a wonderful remark kornrulez
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 July 2017 13:35 (six years ago) link
Circa 1991, I taped (off the radio) a King Biscuit live show from the Wavelength era. It was among my very favorite tapes. An aging boombox ate it for lunch a few years later. Nowadays, when I chance to hear anything from that album, I mourn for that lost cassette. I don't know if it's available and I confess I haven't looked much. But I recall that "Wavelength," "Kingdom Hall," and "Checkin' It Out" were uberclassic in that performance.
― leave your emu at the door (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 20 July 2017 13:40 (six years ago) link
"Wonderful Remark" is essential imo.
so is "Cleaning Windows."
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 July 2017 13:41 (six years ago) link
Question for Van heads: in that lost live "Wavelength" he does this thing of calling out random numbers, to immense crowd satisfaction. I never knew what was going on.
One can hear this also in "Cleaning Windows." Does it refer, like, to specific horn breaks? Seats in the audience? WTF?
― leave your emu at the door (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 20 July 2017 13:44 (six years ago) link
Okay I figgered out that I was thinking of the long interlude in "Caravan" from this Bottom Line show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApC0ZnMpWhc
Listen at 54:20 or so. There's a bunch of ad lib and some numbers and I... still don't get it. Surely this is A Thing.
― leave your emu at the door (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 20 July 2017 14:06 (six years ago) link
I love this one, horn parts at the end are sublime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ln-H2HV6o0
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Thursday, 20 July 2017 14:09 (six years ago) link
^^^ yep
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 July 2017 14:12 (six years ago) link
i have no idea how i'm going to do this
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 July 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link
Every time you find yet another '90s album in your collection, take a shot.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 July 2017 15:10 (six years ago) link
hymns to the silence is wonderful if a little uneven. even a sense of wonder which imo is prob his least good '80s record has the really lovely title track
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 July 2017 15:26 (six years ago) link
Another 80s tune to check out: Higher Than The World.
This is going to be a fascinating poll. Prob lots of tunes that make it onto the countdown with only a few votes.
― that's not my post, Thursday, 20 July 2017 16:26 (six years ago) link
i really love this little tribute to van's san francisco of the mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxB2Gbkv-mo
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 July 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link
"A Period of Transition" is unfairly maligned. This tune is so classic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riqzRE6St_8
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Thursday, 20 July 2017 17:37 (six years ago) link
Yes. I don't think we're going to get a ton of ballots for this.
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 20 July 2017 19:58 (six years ago) link
I'll just set up a few sock accounts and "want a danish" is going to run the table.
― JoeStork, Thursday, 20 July 2017 20:52 (six years ago) link
Also it's been ages since I've heard the 80's version but my recollection is that the Philosopher's Stone "Wonderful Remark" wipes the floor with the rerecording.
― JoeStork, Thursday, 20 July 2017 20:59 (six years ago) link
I can see by the look on your face.....thats you've got ring worm
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Thursday, 20 July 2017 21:01 (six years ago) link
It's a very common disease.
― JoeStork, Thursday, 20 July 2017 21:08 (six years ago) link
if anyone needs a guide to the '80s and early '90s van records i wrote one a few years ago http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/astral-years-a-seekers-guide-to-van-morrison-in-the-80-1700003646🕸
Excellent piece brad
― wtev, Friday, 21 July 2017 05:57 (six years ago) link
Thanks, that's a fantastic blog. Van's 80s were better than he gets credit for. How about the 90s? The Healing Game is good, but I haven't heard much else.
I'll have to dig out the recording of his Glastonbury set in 86 which I saw. Some great performances: no guru, full force gale, iirc summertime in England
― wtev, Friday, 21 July 2017 06:01 (six years ago) link
"Have I Told You Lately" is lazy writing but I LOVE "Why Must I Always Explain."
― leave your emu at the door (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 21 July 2017 14:31 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTN06FiglEE
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 21 July 2017 18:53 (six years ago) link
sorry i thought the thread needed more high kicks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdZLTnRnHs8
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 21 July 2017 18:55 (six years ago) link
Fully intend to vote in this - I'm a fairly casual fan but I'm slowly going through Brad's '80s picks and the stuff mentioned here, already discovered some great songs (some of which are not at all what I'd expect from any era of Van Morrison).
― Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 21 July 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
Found the 87 Glastonbury recording. Awesome.
― wtev, Friday, 21 July 2017 20:14 (six years ago) link
Lots of great live Van up on YouTube. Here are a few full concerts.
Montreaux 1980Winterland 1974Pacific High Studio 1971Ulster Hall with the Chieftains 1988
― that's not my post, Friday, 21 July 2017 23:25 (six years ago) link
Hope everyone had a great weekend listening to plenty of Van.
― kornrulez6969, Monday, 24 July 2017 16:48 (six years ago) link
A couple of 60s deep cuts to consider
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRH8M-VyFHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNaMbru1dQ0
― that's not my post, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 04:23 (six years ago) link
So how about this one off No Guru? Love the stripped down version he did for the One Irish Rover doc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtqB6JSiHNg
― that's not my post, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 04:53 (six years ago) link
i'm currently trying to figure out which live version of caravan i should vote number one
― Many men scream death (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 04:57 (six years ago) link
The Bottom Line one, of course. He says "radio" as "rajjo" and it's like eight minutes long (but I still don't get the bit with calling out random numbers).
― okapi paste (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:59 (six years ago) link
sent
― sleeve, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link
Holy mackerel, this thing is going to be close. If you haven't voted, please do so. Your ballot will decide the winner fer sure.
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
Sent.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 19:37 (six years ago) link
Coming soon. With a coat so old. In the garden. With the leaves all wet with rain.
― wtev, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 19:38 (six years ago) link
I'm almost done!I'm being lazy but does someone have a link to the Glastonbury set?
I'm being lazy but does someone have a link to the Glastonbury set?
I don't know how ilx mail works but I could help
― wtev, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 19:40 (six years ago) link
I VOTED! (NO FAKE NEWS)
― lefal junglist platton (wtev), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 20:39 (six years ago) link
waiting for the rollout to start is a form of suffering so fine
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 20:46 (six years ago) link
^dwelling on the threshold
― Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 20:54 (six years ago) link
I'm trying hard to make this whole thing blend.
Rollout begins tomorrow for sure
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 21:03 (six years ago) link
I'm caught one more time waiting
― wtev, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 21:07 (six years ago) link
Kornrulez it will come through
― wtev, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 21:08 (six years ago) link
Sent!
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 3 August 2017 05:15 (six years ago) link
this is exciting
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 3 August 2017 13:21 (six years ago) link
turn it up!
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 3 August 2017 13:24 (six years ago) link
― wtev,
Did I get your ballot, wtev? The Caravan is packing up and ready to move.
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 3 August 2017 14:23 (six years ago) link
/Kornrulez it will come through― wtev,/Did I get your ballot, wtev? The Caravan is packing up and ready to move.
― wtev,/
Yes you emailed me last night at 2.27 Manchester time
― wtev, Thursday, 3 August 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link
Sorry my earlier post was written while I was listening to summertime in England. /a man who comes through/
― wtev, Thursday, 3 August 2017 15:10 (six years ago) link
OK so we are done.
22 ballots.16 albums.154 songs.Lots of surprises to come.
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 3 August 2017 15:26 (six years ago) link
Yes!
― wtev, Thursday, 3 August 2017 15:31 (six years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/fg8RYPw.jpg
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 3 August 2017 15:33 (six years ago) link
Just testing that out. Apologies for the crude art direction.
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 3 August 2017 15:35 (six years ago) link
Linden Arden POLL the Highlights--ILM Van Morrison Poll Results
― sleeve, Thursday, 3 August 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link