Linkin Park singles poll

this exact conversation happens on ilm every time a musician dies lol

fake performative grieving?

like nobody says you have to have an opinion at all, just sayin if you're going to share one, what is the benefit of saying "WELL Y'KNOW I DIDN'T *REALLY* LIKE DUDE'S MUSIC, but REST IN PEACE Chester" vs "Rest in peace, Chester"

this exact conversation happens on ilm every time a musician dies lol

and your point ?

gotta love the lol

so anyway....

fake performative grieving?

― Neanderthal, Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:28 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

theres a total nostalgia buzz effect not so much on ilx per se but def in the wider social media world. i'd rather someone say, "you know I wasn't that big a fan of the group at the time, i was slightly too old to take it seriously but I did love 'faint' and i think their stuff has aged well" (fwiw this is me) than the aimless 'linkin park basically invented music for me' kind of shit that we know wasn't true ... i remember how "thoughtful ppl" at the time perceived this band, they were getting big when i was like 19-20 years old. It was seen as suburban trash culture by older ppl and theres a level of disingenuousness to ppl's performed fandom

it also just annoys me bc of the blatant hypocrisy of it w/r/t/ parallel artists today, like this whole tweet thread could as easily be about xxxtentacion but ppl bandwagon these kinds of things

for 'social lift'

for a broader/more obviously cynical example of what i'm talking about look at how this publication tweeted about it despite...never having covered the band previously. on the level of 'personal brands' ppl replicate this dynamic, its pretty widespread

i saw linkin park support deftones (the acceptable face of nu-metal) in one of those real mismatched things where between the booking of the tour and the show the support band eclipses the headliner in popularity. the linkin park performance was good and very polished (and i didn't enjoy it at all), though it was clear there were pre-recorded elements being used, including vocals. contrasted quite a bit with deftones who i enjoyed but who were in full chino coke-bloat stage and chino's pants fell down during a song where he was playing guitar and he didn't pick them up for about 30 seconds

a 41 year old person with 6 kids killing themselves is really sad

i'd rather someone say, "you know I wasn't that big a fan of the group at the time, i was slightly too old to take it seriously but I did love 'faint' and i think their stuff has aged well" (fwiw this is me) than the aimless 'linkin park basically invented music for me' kind of shit that we know wasn't true ...

Otm. And to take it a step further: I'm so tired of the mourning police demanding cred to back up grief or denouncing a spontaneous reaction to something as fucked up as a suicide. My sole encounter with Linkin Park can be summed up as being wasted on bennies at a huge festival hearing them soundtrack a personal nightmare in the background, face down in fresh mowed grass. How I wished they'd stopped playing... Never bought a record of theirs and avoided them like the plague after that. Hardly a loving memory. But fuck those who imply one can't express sadness about a life ending the way his did, and fuck those 'measuring' a response by supposed fandom. I think we can all agree this is a tragedy.

Tl;dr: Fuck the internet and fuck people.

Yep

I don't think outsiders are hoping on this particular bandwagon because of Linkin Park - which are a massively popular band with a huge fanbase either way - but because of the suicide angle. Every time a celebrity offs him/herself it automatically awakens some sort of empathy and disbelief on the media.

And while several people here are sticking to the time-honoured ILM tradition of trying their hardest to make this thread go south as quickly as possible, I'll get back to the music... I gave both Hybrid Theory and Meteora a good listen earlier and they still hold up incredibly well. These guys put a hell of a lot of thought into the presentation of everything.

i was listening to hybrid theory in the car when i picked up D from camp and first she said she didn't like the music and wanted me to turn it off and when i refused she decided that she didn't like music at all so i guess linkin park ruined music for her. (don't worry it's probably more that she was annoyed i was listening to the music and not her opinions of her bunkmates.)

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Like, sonically these albums still sound great... I'll confess to finding myself paying more attention to the lyrics this go-round than I've ever done before. But, the thing is, in the early '00s there was so much nu-metal around that it was all too easy to tune out the lyrics after a while.

Credit to whoever handles LP's social media -- the photo posts were all they needed, and they're good choices.

I was in my early 20s when LP started. I was never a diehard fan - though my ex-wife was - but I got to know the first two albums very well. Was a bit beyond the target demographic, but could definitely appreciate the craft and the sheer, direct efficiency of what they were about. I could probably sing along to those two albums without thinking twice. So: this is a bummer, even though after a certain point I did tune out.

a 41 year old person with 6 kids killing themselves is really sad

otm. I'm not even an LP fan, and I used to bag on them in my early 20s. still only like 3-4 songs, but I grew to really appreciate Bennington's skill as a vocalist after I heard him on that Buck track and started listening to more that he did.

it's not as if he didn't leave clues in the music but you kinda always hoped it was more an cathartic release rather than a warning sign.

didn't even realize they were about to go on tour again soon.

was it true that they were getting heavily booed on their last headlining tour?

aw geez

http://www.nme.com/news/music/linkin-park-jug-thrown-heavy-hellfest-2090797

im willing to believe i underrated them deeply at the time, i think there's an effect that happens when ur in your late teens/early 20s where the stuff that appeals to teenagers seems kind of basic to you, esp if its liable to be insanely popular. esp if you (as i did) grew up in a high school where you werent only exposed to the kind of rural/suburban trash culture that produced their shit...as someone who grew up on rap mike shinoda's rap style at the time felt extremely dated, that whole "i designed this rhyme in time" or whatever part sounded like he learned to rap from debbie harry lol. (Actually on of the crazy things about "Faint" is how well his rapping actually meshes w/ the rhythm on that, it sounds kinda taut). Of course this might be an unfair standard to measure them by—I mean, it is, lots of people loved them & didn't have a problem w/ that, and now it has a quaintness to it that ... even that separation from rap has its own aesthetic qualities which I can appreciate for ppl I've known who, idk, came from rural ohio & met in college & who loved incubus and tried to sell me on them because they also had a DJ, just like the rappers I listened to lol...

fwiw its that kind of stuff I think about when i champion more controversial shit here like lil peep, because I feel like that is the kind of thing that is liable to connect to ppl i knew from college who came out of more blue collar/ rural ohio conditions & have a different set of artistic reference points than i did

*Actually one of

So brave

who said it was brave? stop being butthurt

i mean its brave if you find it super annoying to spend several days arguing with [redacted] and [redacted] but i that wasn't my point in bringing up that reference

Rewatching all the videos... they're so fucking great, and the songs surprisingly haven't aged at all, they sound awesome... as a kid I always thought it was cool how Chester drastically changed his look for every video/award show/whatever performance...

this video was never not on MTV or VH1 for like 6 months straight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVTXPUF4Oz4

the songs surprisingly haven't aged at all

the Hybrid Theory singles sound very much of their time to me

that electronic rhythm at the beginning of "In The End" could have been on a Dido or Moby or Matchbox 20 song

they still bang

As I just said elsewhere, what's really grim is that "In the End" is such an amazing fusion of Depeche-into-NIN, nu-metal, boy band, it was perfect for its time and lasts. But good god the lyrics are just going to override everything about it from here on in.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, July 20, 2017 2:13 PM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM x100

I always thought them and, yeah, Incubus sort of transcended that nu metal tag. Neither was particularly metal, which helped.

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/343013-kasich-mourns-death-of-linkin-park-singer-this-is-a-sad-day

fake performative grieving?

― Neanderthal, Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:28 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark

the conversation that happens in every RIP thread is a meta conversation about whether it's ok to say something negative about the dead person

we still haven't come to a verdict, is all i was saying...

50 years from now, couldn't "In the End" be dated by ear within +/- 1 year of its release date? It sounds so of that time to me. Maybe defining the time is a compliment?

We've had the timeless/outdated discussion over here before and it's usually a trainwreck. Nothing lasts forever and there's nothing new under the sun. Nowadays for me saying a sound is era-defining or ahead of its time is a better qualifier for me.

My deal is that he was the one extraordinary and obvious talent in a band I just never could like, and that's added to the tragedy for me. Sorry if superfans think I'm lying.

it's sad that it takes someone dying to question the authenticity of their lyrics ("In The End"). LP will always remind me of highschool, along with Incubus, and RIP dude

I don't agree. In The End was huge when it came out and it meant a lot to a lot of people that didn't question their angst, suicide or not. I was talking about this on the Foo Fighters thread: Linkin Park is the band with most facebook followers by a long shot even above Metallica and The Beatles. They're one of the most influential rock bands of the past 20 years.

Every lyrics of them will obviously get a new tragic angle as it happened with Nirvana but to say they were underrated or their lyrics didn't have authenticity prior to his death is living in a bubble.

alright Moka... :-/

Sorry! I'm not being defensive I swear, but you're saying In the End was not taken seriously until this happened. Song was #2 on the US charts and Hybrid Theory was the best selling album that year. It's not the scenario you're implying in which people were not paying attention.

i don't know what i'm talking about. i'm willing to be wrong sometimes. just time for me to leave this thread man

"iridescent" (from a thousand suns) is my favorite linkin park song. i think i've cried to it. it might hurt to listen to again knowing what's happened. but it's a beautiful and cathartic song.

r.i.p.

I always thought them and, yeah, Incubus sort of transcended that nu metal tag. Neither was particularly metal, which helped.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, July 21, 2017 3:30 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Incubus certainly did!

this is good:

http://www.stereogum.com/1953311/chester-bennington-turned-nu-metal-universal/franchises/sounding-board/

I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with expressing your opinion on the band if you're not being a dick about it. I'm assuming a lot of us were in middle school or high school when Hybrid Theory and Meteora came out, during that time the band was absolutely everywhere, and if you're that age either the music means something deep to you or it comes off irritating and impossibly lame. Part of getting older is looking back at stuff you initially didn't like and either appreciating it for what it is, or not. A couple years ago I gave those two albums a listen just out of my own curiosity and I appreciate them the same way I appreciate say, the Backstreet Boys greatest hits - I hated them at the time, mostly because I was young and you hate popular things at that age, but in retrospect the songs are really well crafted and you could tell the band cared a lot. Whatever they were going for, they nailed it. Like 'em or not they're a part of my life, hearing their music now takes me back to when I was 15 in a way hearing the stuff I actually liked back then never could. They were important to a lot of people who were important to me. And Chester always seemed like a great dude.

I'm assuming a lot of us were in middle school or high school when Hybrid Theory and Meteora came out

some of us... were not

I am 3000 years old.