anyway I spent more time with this listening more carefully. I think it's a good album, backloaded certainly. The earlier tracks def relying on her sad girl persona and the rap bits still seem...kind of like an afterthought to me. The second half is a lot more like Honeymoon, but lyrically I think she's writing about more interesting things as well; there is nary a red dress, nail polish, high heels or summertime in the second half of the album.
― akm, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link
She's also writing about decadence being less fun in Heroin
"Oh, makes me feel like I can changeOh, ho ho ho, all of my evil ways and shitOh, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't sick of it"
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:47 (six years ago) link
I usually go out of my way to ignore lyrics, but I find hers very interesting. The line "And when he calls/He calls for me and not for you" from "Shades of Cool" has always stuck with me.
I really like the way she employs multiple versions of her own voice to comment on each other. Like, the verse will be sung through one type of hazy reverb, and then the background vocal will be filtered some other way, and the chorus a third way, so they all sound like different women.
A lot of small sonic touches on this new album remind me of Tricky's Pre-Millennium Tension - there's a track where LDR sounds uncannily like Martina, and another where a background vocal sample sounds like the demonic-laughter background voice from "Tricky Kid."
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link
agree w/ you unperson
love the way she sings the chorus on "In My Feelings" which uses the same "yeah" vocal from Cherry, much like she regurgitated that one vocal loop all throughout born to die - which this album reminds me of the most. It doesn't deviate too much into the more solemn and reflective Honeymoon or Ultraviolence without quickly picking back up.
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link
anyone else noticed how her enunciation and delivery have really changed over the course of the last few albums? I'm guessing part of this is up to voice coaching, but it makes me wonder how much of it was her own pronunciation versus an affectation
― mh, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link
in which ways mh?
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:12 (six years ago) link
good interview
http://pitchfork.com/features/interview/life-liberty-and-the-pursuit-of-happiness-a-conversation-with-lana-del-rey/
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:37 (six years ago) link
def warming up to this but prob gonna delete the joint w sean lennon I just cant
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link
"In My Feelings" and "Get Free" are the best tracks; "Heroin" strikes me as self-parody.
It fascinates me how Rick Nowels has co-written songs with her and Madonna and gotten different electro-pop results from each. Guess it says something about the artists' self-possession.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:41 (six years ago) link
i get a locomotion vibe from parts of Get Free. In My Feelings is my favourite xpost
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:48 (six years ago) link
He's got writing credits on almost everything on this album and Honeymoon, iirc? xp
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:48 (six years ago) link
Ross, her enunciation is a lot crisper and some of the earlier songs I get this kind of "ooeeww" slurring on... well, I'm lacking the linguistic terms here. "Years" and "tears" sound more like "yeahwws" and "teahwws". I think "Gods & Monsters" is the one I notice it the most on. "Scared" is more "sceehhwed" (kind of a schwa sound)
Alfred otm, I think co-writers have definitely helped her with structure but I had to scroll past another "but what about her writers?" facebook comment doing the classic "she doesn't write her songs" bullshit ploy and rolled my eyes
― mh, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link
She's been working with Nowels since Born to Die. He's one of her two- or three-member core team.
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
good pts mh, i can see that
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:35 (six years ago) link
listening to this on shuffle is opening it up for me a lot, to the extent that I almost like "God Bless America" and "Groupie Love" now
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.),
yup!
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 20:46 (six years ago) link
I can't believe you guys don't like Tomorrow Never Came, that's one of the earwormiest things she's ever recorded.
― akm, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:08 (six years ago) link
Never really enjoyed Sean Lennon doing his lazy-ass John impersonation
― mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:18 (six years ago) link
I love it. That one, When The World Was At War and Get Free are my current favourites. I like the optimistic side to this album a lot.
― kitchen person, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:19 (six years ago) link
it might grow on me! who knows
― mh, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 23:26 (six years ago) link
"Get Free," "Change" and "In My Feelings" might make a LDR POX for me
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 July 2017 03:33 (six years ago) link
Heroin does have that bit of self parody in the lyrics, but the chorus itself is very affecting, particularly the very last run through that ends the song. I love how unpolished that is, how there are intentionally like three vocal tracks, she sings slightly out of tune, nothing quite lines up (on the "I'd be lying if I said I wasn't sick of it" line). That's one of my favorite parts of the whole album.
― akm, Thursday, 27 July 2017 12:32 (six years ago) link
I'm confused how Heroin is self parody? She takes a different approach in this song than her others by not embracing a hedonistic lifestyle, but saying she's growing weary of it. The lyrical themes on this album show Lana has evolved beyond her earlier persona.
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Thursday, 27 July 2017 14:50 (six years ago) link
has she ever not been cynical about hedonism, though
― mh, Thursday, 27 July 2017 14:51 (six years ago) link
Simulating the heroin haze on a track called "Heroin" sounded facile to me, but I take your point. And she's never struck me as someone who isn't aware about the dangers of the sybaritic life. At any rate it's not one of the album's strongest tracks.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 July 2017 14:52 (six years ago) link
agree with both of you re: her awareness.
was just surprised to hear her cop to being sick of the evil shit, which seemed more direct. Overall I definitely find this album one of her more positive
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Thursday, 27 July 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.)
My current LDR POX would be..
RideRadio Video GamesShades Of Cool Sad Girl Dark Paradise Get Free Brooklyn Baby Terrence Loves YouLove
― kitchen person, Thursday, 27 July 2017 16:33 (six years ago) link
Freak and West Coast should be in there too.
― kitchen person, Thursday, 27 July 2017 16:34 (six years ago) link
http://www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/36906/1/lana-del-rey-may-release-a-25-song-album-of-leaks-faves
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 28 July 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link
oh man that would be dope as hell
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 28 July 2017 20:47 (six years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/news/radiohead-sue-lana-del-rey-for-allegedly-copying-creep/
Radiohead are suing Lana Del Rey over similarities between her Lust for Life song “Get Free” and their 1992 hit “Creep.” After reports of the suit emerged earlier today, Lana confirmed the news on Twitter. “It’s true about the lawsuit,” she wrote. “Although I know my song wasn’t inspired by Creep, Radiohead feel it was and want 100% of the publishing - I offered up to 40 over the last few months but they will only accept 100.” See the tweet below. The credits for “Get Free” currently list Lana Del Rey, Rick Nowels, and Kieron Menzies as co-writers. Pitchfork has reached out to representatives for Lana, Nowels, and Menzies for further comment. Representatives for Radiohead offered no comment to Pitchfork.Following the release of “Creep,” Radiohead were allegedly sued by the Hollies over the single’s similarities to their 1972 song “The Air That I Breathe.” After an out-of-court settlement, the Hollies’ Albert Hammond and Mike Hazlewood were listed as co-writers of “Creep.”
Following the release of “Creep,” Radiohead were allegedly sued by the Hollies over the single’s similarities to their 1972 song “The Air That I Breathe.” After an out-of-court settlement, the Hollies’ Albert Hammond and Mike Hazlewood were listed as co-writers of “Creep.”
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
mentioned before it also sounds like the locomotion..but this is fucking lame
― kolakube (Ross), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link
what pricks
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:11 (six years ago) link
hollies had the hit in '74 and hammond / hazlewood are not members of the band iirc
― budo jeru, Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:18 (six years ago) link
wtf. i dont' hear any similarity at all.
― akm, Monday, 8 January 2018 13:48 (six years ago) link
...really?
― Simon H., Monday, 8 January 2018 13:53 (six years ago) link
(I don't support this lawsuit at all but c'mon)
― Simon H., Monday, 8 January 2018 13:54 (six years ago) link
Having accidentally heard something by Radiohead yesterday I feel like sueing Thom Yorke for almost ruining my weekend.
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Monday, 8 January 2018 13:56 (six years ago) link
oh wait, it's 'get free' not 'lust for life'. uh...slightly. I dunno, it's not like those chord progressions seem so iconic; doesn't seem like a my sweet lord/he's so fine situation.
― akm, Monday, 8 January 2018 13:57 (six years ago) link
You can't sue over chord progressions.
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Monday, 8 January 2018 14:28 (six years ago) link
So hold on does this mean The Hollies co-wrote the Lana Del Rey song too? Or are they allowed to sue her as well, thus winning twice?I don't think you should be allowed to sue for ripping off a verse anyway, if the hook ain't the same then it ain't the same song.
― めんどくさかった (Matt #2), Monday, 8 January 2018 14:31 (six years ago) link
it's not about the money it's about truth in music publishing
― not raving but droning (Noodle Vague), Monday, 8 January 2018 14:33 (six years ago) link
the top line melody is very similar too, people. anyway, i am assuming Radiohead don't give a hoot and it's all inter-lawyer bollocks
― FREEZE! FYI! (dog latin), Monday, 8 January 2018 14:34 (six years ago) link
Damn thing is identical in both verse AND chorus which is hella rare IMO, the first minute plus are basically Creep. Have to say i didn't spot it when the album came out.
Did Nino Rota get a credit for Old Money? I forget now..
― piscesx, Monday, 8 January 2018 14:35 (six years ago) link
100% of the publishing is insane. They're not that similar.
― kornrulez6969, Monday, 8 January 2018 15:25 (six years ago) link
good number to start negotiating at if you're suing
― mh, Monday, 8 January 2018 15:31 (six years ago) link
It's not just the chords and the melody, but the singing embellishments too - the way she sings "my modern manifesto" at 0.53 is exactly like Yorke's "weirdo-oh-oh".
It's good, though! God knows I never need to hear Creep ever again, but I dig this version, especially when it changes direction after a minute or so.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 8 January 2018 15:40 (six years ago) link
imo the best defense against 100% would be "come on, for a quarter of the song I'm chanting Neil Young lyrics over something that sounds like the Locomotion"
*sudden knocking on courtroom door*
― mh, Monday, 8 January 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link
If the Beatles didn't sue her for "West Coast," Radiohead should just chill out.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 8 January 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link
radiohead think they're punk but they're bullshit
― #TeamHailing (imago), Monday, 8 January 2018 15:52 (six years ago) link