pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

Venus in Furs is ... something else.

a Brecht pastiche?

I've always wondered about the connection between "Heroin" and "You Can't Always Get What You Want." Weirdly similar two chords, very similar subject matter ...

Hmm:

"Of perhaps more note is that the Velvet Underground are confirmed to have directly influenced an actual well-known late 1960s Rolling Stones recording. As Mick Jagger confessed to Nick Kent of NME in June 1977, "Even we've been influenced by the Velvet Underground. No, really. I'll tell you exactly what we pinched from (Lou Reed). Y'know 'Stray Cat Blues' (from the Rolling Stones' 1968 album Beggars Banquet)? The whole sound and the way it's paced, we pinched from the first Velvet Underground album. Y'know, the sound on 'Heroin.' Honest to God, we did!"

How is "European Son" "basically a Bo Diddley riff?"

Best thing I've read yet in these blurbs by Zoe Camp:

Instead of endless possibility or untapped potential, frontman Jim Morrison’s notion of infinity suggests an ever-present, invariably destructive cosmic malaise filled with agonizing bar crawls, sordid hook-ups, and, of course, death. How marvelous, then, that as the void closes in on the album’s crown jewel, “Light My Fire,” the predominant mood is cathartic rather than catastrophic.

"debut is a lot of good songs that'd be better with a better drummer"

oof...

watched a youtube video that pointed out that the building where the glass box is doesn't exist - the aerial shot of Lower Manhattan in the first episode shows the building in place of Trinity Church, which was severely damaged and very nearly destroyed on 9/11. from wikipedia:

During the September 11 terrorist attacks, as the first World Trade Center tower collapsed, people took refuge from the massive debris cloud inside the church. Falling wreckage from the collapsing tower knocked over a giant sycamore tree that had stood for nearly a century in the churchyard of St. Paul's Chapel, which is part of Trinity Church's parish and is located several blocks north of Trinity Church.

flappy is that for the peaks thread

fuck

Hahahahahah. ilx problems

Flappy bird is to 9/11 what Roger Waters is to WW2.

How is "European Son" "basically a Bo Diddley riff?"

it's not, at all, but when Shakey gets going on this stuff he says stuff like that, just a bit of fun

Venus in Furs is amazing. for some reason ive never really been impressed with "Black Angel Death Song" or "European Son" for that matter.

VU+N is great and the highs are insanely high but i feel like there is some filler here that WL/WH or VU doesn't have.

The bass run at the top of "European Son" = all-time

I have tried multiple times to get into Velvet Underground and... I can't. Most of the music on VU&N sounds like a bunch of people who can't play their instruments entertaining themselves while high to me; while it might be fun for others to go along on the ride, to me it just sounds self-indulgent and insular. There is a permanent, omnipresent wall between me and the music they're making and I don't think at this point they'll ever connect with me.

Venus in Furs is amazing. for some reason ive never really been impressed with "Black Angel Death Song" or "European Son" for that matter.

These are basically my three favourite songs on the album.

DJP, try this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969:_The_Velvet_Underground_Live

The fact that VU&N is at #3 on the RYM charts is still astounding to me, it's such a polarizing album

The fact that Madvillian is in the Top 100 on the RYM charts is still evidence that you should probably not give too much thought into the opinions of the type of people that populate RYM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaumyfPx3Ao

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The fact that VU&N is at #3 on the RYM charts is still astounding to me, it's such a polarizing album

The fact that it's below a shitty Radiohead album is the true puzzler

oh don't get me wrong the RYM charts are mostly trash but still

I would guess the RYM 60s chart is pretty close to the P4K one. Not too much prog, metal or video game music back in the 60s.

lol I just looked at that RYM chart, that there is enormous trash

oh god, I just got to Wanda Jackson's Fujiyama Mama. this is hilarious and awesome but so wrong.

The Matrix Tapes might be my favorite VU now actually

"Most of the music on VU&N sounds like a bunch of people who can't play their instruments entertaining themselves while high to me;"

Sunday Morning, Femme Fatale, All Tomorrow's Parties, There She Goes Again, and I'll Be Your Mirror sound like this to you?

All of those songs under three minutes long too except for All Tomorrow's Parties. But I guess you can be self-indulgent and insular in two minute pop rock songs.

"I have tried multiple times to get into Velvet Underground and... I can't."

Not even Loaded? Such a great well-made rock album with lots of awesome harmonies and melodies for choir fans.

Or the third album, which is lovely.

My guitar teacher plays in a band that covers a different act each month, perfectly replicating the studio versions of the songs. Steely Dan to the Band to the Replacements, Smiths, Neil Young, Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder and Prince, etc.. It's usually pretty packed but he told me the smallest crowd they ever had was for the night they did the Velvet Underground.

yeah but everyone in that crowd went and started their own cover band

lol

ha

VU&N is a predictable pick for #1 but I'm not going to complain, that and the 3rd album are the two VU albums I still really enjoy. I definitely get Joan Crawford's point about the lyrics to Venus in Furs but sound-wise it's something else.

Favourite surprising thing about the list as a whole is all the jazz, especially the high placing for Out to Lunch.

Least favourite surprising thing is Sweetheart of the Rodeo placing all the way above Notorious Byrd Brothers (with Younger Than Yesterday nowhere to be seen).

yeah but everyone in that crowd went and started their own cover band

Ha!

sweetheart is better than notorious

I'm not a Gram Parsons fan (bar maybe Gilded Palace of Sin), not that much of a country fan in general. Notorious Byrd Brothers is all-time for me.

i think i just forget that there are people who don't love them. collectively they were so brilliant. and that includes mo. wishing they had a different drummer is like wishing the beatles had a different drummer. she was an integral part of their thing. i'm still so impressed when i hear something by them even after all this time.

i was playing my video game on the ps4 recently and i put on spotify and listened to live stuff for hours and there were so many HOLY SHIT moments. they still make my jaw drop.

No Shangri-Las on that list - no credibility

Mo's drumming on "Foggy Notion" alone!

i think one of the things that's so great about the 1969 live stuff is that it feels like Moe has really developed into this amazingly powerful player, driving the whole thing — still one of the reasons they hold up more than other 60s groups imo.

Shangri-Las are at #49.

I don't know that album though - I just listen to Myrmidons of Melodrama.

I liked that Pitchfork list overall. I kept thinking of people coming across it who hadn't heard a lot of it and how much fun it would be to go through it. And how much they would learn! Fun and learning all around. And I liked all the jazz. I am all for turning people onto great jazz.

60s-70s are easily 90% of my listening and there were still a few new things for me in that list, especially in the 200-40 spots

ah fuck it's early and i'm not thinking jmm, thanks...

myrmidons is one of the best comps out there

i feel like there is some filler here that WL/WH or VU doesn't have.

White Light White Heat has a second side that I think you should familiarize yourself with.

that's the good side.

haha yeah, we're calling "heard her call my name" and "sister ray" filler? ok.

i'm with alfred; every vu album except loaded has been my favorite at one point in time (currently i prefer vu to the other two)

in fact i might've had a delusional second or two where loaded was my fav, first side of that record sounds really lovely on a sunny day